Talk:Yevpatoria

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Why was this moved to Eupatoria (which to English ears is Юпаторія)? For Ukrainian place names we use the National system; so this should be at Yevpatoria. —Michael Z. 2005-11-25 04:53 Z


The best resort town I've ever visited!

Han Cami mosque

Ghirlandajo, what do you mean saying "primary sources"? You can simply google to find out that Kezlev Han Cami was really built by Hoca Sinan. Don Alessandro 19:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it called Eupatoria?

I have lived here for the past 5 months. There seems to be absolutely no reason to call it Eupatoria. The most logical transliteration is Yevpatoria. That is what people call it - that is what it is primarily. On searching for information, the Yevpatoria translation is a lot more useful and a lot more accurate.

In general, people here do not know about any Eupator... The name is also translated to Yevpatoriya here. Is the purpose to portray an accurate picture of the place or to give a blind-sided British Textbook view of the place? We ought to make a sidenote that is is Eupatoria in some historical records and use the more accurate name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.207.115.86 (talk) 11:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Taking a look at google, there are 10 times as many hits for "Eupatoria", so it seems to be by far the most common name in English. I'd imagine it comes in that spelling to English by way of Greek, since "eu" in Greek is pronounced "ev". I'm going to add "Yevpatoria" to the intro though. --Delirium 12:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever says Google — for evident reasons, you will find far more English versions of most names than Ukrainian ones —, no one will ever say Eupatoria. And I can't remember if I ever met any Ancient Greek in Yevpatoriya, but here is the way we, Ukrainians, pronounce this name, be it in Russian or in Ukrainian. What's more, Євпаторія is the official form of the name — I mean: not some Ευπατόρια unsuitably transliterated with eu instead of ev —, which may be best transliterated Yevpatoriya, to suit BOTH the Ukrainian AND Russian pronunciation. Sorry for the English-speaking people who think this town may still be some Greek counter… So why stick to such an argument that Google is the ruler, not the inhabitants, the speakers and the government of the country?
Moreover, Google give 98,400 hits for “Yevpatoriya”, 28,200 for “Yevpatoria”, and 270,000 for “Eupatoria” — but take a careful look at what these Eupatoria are exactly in more than 90% cases (I stopped searching after the 12th page, actually), you'd be quite surprised (Polish name, Ancient Greece, arts, plants, diseases, copies from copies and… Wikipedia!). That is: there are about 3.5 times as many for “Yevpatoriya”, Google say.
May I move this article to Yevpatoriya, without endlessly arguing on this point? ✓ Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 11:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
According to the national rules of transliteration for Ukrainian geographic places (1996) Євпаторія transliterates as Yevpatoriia. --Greggerr (talk) 22:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Which may or may not matter depending on whether there exists an established English name for the city (eg. Ukraine for 'Ukraina' or Crimea for 'Krym') that takes precedence in English Wikipedia. --Irpen 22:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know where Google get it's data from but on every map I saw (found by Google!) the town was called Yevpatoriya. So please change the name! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not so fast. We need to look the usage carefully before making any moves. --Irpen 03:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well there are some good arguments to proof that google is misleading! The main argument not renaming Kiev to Kyiv is always that foreigners have used the name Kiev for so long. Evpatoria doesn't seem to have that problem cause it's not that famous :). Maybe it's best to wait until a week passes since the request (to rename the article)! Then nobody can accuse anybody of bad faith or being reckless? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 13:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agrimonia eupatoria is a plant :)
  • 80.300 google hits for Agrimonia eupatoria
  • 261.000 google hits for Eupatoria
  • 236.000 google hits for Evpatoria
  • 261.000 - 80.300= 180.700 google hits for Eupatoria? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 13:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the page

Hate to use this is an argument but both CNN and BBC news and Euronews reported about the gas blast in Yevpatoria not don't mention Eupatoria. Therefore I'm moving the article to Yevpatoria. — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In other words: Yevpatoria has become the common English name for the town, Eupatoria used to be the common English name for the town. — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 02:48, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The dumbest thing ever on Wikipedia. And that's saying a lot. All based on the troglodytes of the MSM. Further propagated by the sophomorons of Wikipedia. Yay. None of you eejits know anything about etymology? Stand back and watch the dumbing down of humanity. Bring the popcorn. Darwin was wrong. People of less than average intelligence can prevail - at least at Wikipedia. At least for a while. As in who cares? Your homework assignment is in two parts. 1. Break down the word into its linguistic roots. 2. This is the toughie: do you m*rons really think people pronounce letters the same way in all countries or are you all limited to that peak of beauty known as US English?. Take your time on the assignment.

The lemma is now Yevpatoria, whereas the article starts with "Yevpatoriya, sometimes called also Eupatoria[1]". I am not familiar with the Cyrillic alphabet nor the correct romanisation from Russian or Ukrainian into English. Please have a discussion about what the correct ending is: -ria or -riya. --Gunnar (talk) 19:16, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How to expand the article?

Best to expand it (I think) using the wikiarticle about the Britsh Sea Resort place Blackpool as a blueprint:

1 History
1.1 Toponymy
1.2 Early history
1.3 Taking the cure
1.4 Arrival of the railways
1.5 Electricity
1.6 Towards the present
2 Local government
3 Economy
4 Tourism
4.1 Conferences
4.2 Entertainment
4.3 Events and festivals
4.4 Gay Blackpool
5 Regeneration
6 Landmarks & places of interest
6.1 Major attractions
6.2 Other attractions
6.3 Tall structures
7 Transport
7.1 Air
7.2 Bus and coach
7.3 Railway
7.4 Road
7.5 Tram
8 Filmography
9 Music
10 Media
11 Sport
11.1 Boxing
11.2 Cricket
11.3 Football
11.4 Rugby
12 Religion
13 Shipwrecks
14 Areas, districts and estates
15 Notable people
16 Twin town
17 References
18 External links

Agree? — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 10:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed status?

The status of Crimea is not disputed in international, Ukrainian or Crimean law. It is part of Ukraine. The fact may be that it is occupied by Russia. That should be stated. If Wikipedia had existed in WW2, would an article on France have said that its status was disputed, or simply that it was occupied by Germany?Royalcourtier (talk) 07:34, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I became interested in Yevpatoria's role during the Crimean war (the landing of the Allied forces and later the battle next to the city) and therefore reorganized the article, especially the history section. I think that the recent history covering the last 5 years including the RU-UA conflict does belong only to this article, if there are some items which are specific to the city - but not to the annexion of the Crimean Peninsula as a whole. That should be covered only in Crimea#History or History of Crimea. If anybody can add some details about what happened in Yevpatoria or the surrounding region in 20th and 21th century, especially in the Soviet and Postsoviet era, that would be highly appreciated by me. --Gunnar (talk) 19:32, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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