Talk:Winsted Citizen

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Launchballer talk 00:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that in 2023, Ralph Nader founded the Winsted Citizen newspaper in his hometown of Winsted, Connecticut, where he delivered papers as a boy? Source: “At age 88, Ralph Nader believes his neighbors in northwest Connecticut are tired of electronics and miss the feel of holding a newspaper to read about their town.
    So at a time that local newspapers are dying at an alarming rate, the longtime activist is helping give birth to one.
    Copies of the first edition of the Winsted Citizen are circulating around this old New England mill town, with stories about a newly-opened food co-op, a Methodist church closing after attendance lagged at services and the repair of a century-old bridge.
    “If it works, it will be a good model for the rest of the country,” said Nader, who as a youngster delivered a long-gone Winsted daily paper in his hometown. He splits time now between Winsted and Washington, D.C.“
    WBUR

5x expanded by Thriley (talk) and Eric Schucht (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 04:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Winsted Citizen; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Dwkaminski (talk) 15:33, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review comments:

  • Newness and length: meets expanded 5 x and length criteria - javascript kit character counter shows that page was 878 characters on 8/19/23 before changes and is now 8075 on 1/6/24
  • General comments:
    • Was the paper founded in 2022 or 2023? categories show 2022 but article and hook say 2023
    • I prefer to state the facts rather than "It was reported.." or "... so and so made the announcement". Recommend to re-write
    • I don't think the detail of where the paper was announced is relevant - also, both references state that they are planning to announce on that date and place. Reference should state that they did. Recommend to remove excessive detail
    • similar comment about excessive detail for content section - "Stories in the paper's first issue highlighted the increase in water rates, a food co-op in need of support, the possible purchase of a closed Methodist church and its redevelopment. There was also a roundup of all the local breweries along with natural attractions and outdoor activities in the nearby Berkshire Mountains. “Weekend in Norfolk” was another feature article in the inaugural edition, with news and information about art, music, theater and dining" and "The first issue also included a profile of a local basketball coach, an article on a project to paint a five-story mural in two abandoned mill buildings and a contribution from Hartford Courant editorial cartoonist Bob Englehart" - so what... recommend to summarize or remove
  • @Thriley: I've completed my review. I think most of these issues are addressable. Please make these changes and I can approve. Thanks! Dwkaminski (talk) 18:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your review. I’ll fix up the article over the coming days. Thriley (talk) 19:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article has very heavily copied from its sources. I'm going to post an analysis of this onto the talk page so I don't break this template. And link back from here. Rjjiii (talk) 20:53, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Thriley and Dwkaminski: I'm going to describe instead, so I don't create issues with copyright violations. I've only gone through "Content". Nearly the entire first paragraph of "Content" comes directly from this article: [1] Only the website bit at the end doesn't appear to be copied and it doesn't seem supported by the source. Digital could mean a website, or it could mean an app, a newsletter, or something else. The second paragraph has two sources. The entire thing is directly copied from those two sources. The third paragraph is mostly copied directly from the cited source. The parts that are not directly copied are too closely paraphrased, like "The first issue includes a [...] profile of a [...] local basketball coach [...]" to "The first issue also included a profile of a local basketball coach [...]" I haven't gone through the "History" section or the lead. If they have the same issues, the article should be deleted. If those sections are fine, the "Content" section should be removed. Rjjiii (talk) 21:13, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rjjiii: this is unfortunate. I created the initial stub that was expanded upon. I didn’t add much at all in the 5x besides nominate. Feel free to remove whatever is in violation. Thriley (talk) 21:26, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Eric Schucht: Any thoughts about this? Thriley (talk) 21:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Thriley: Sorry about all the problems. Guess I still have a lot to learn when it comes to proper Wikipedia protocol. I'm happy to take a look when you're all done editing to see where I could have improved. Eric Schucht (talk) 21:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Eric Schucht: I am not always a perfect editor either, but this is not good. It looks like you did a lot of direct copy and pasting with a bit of paraphrasing. It’s salvageable, but you can’t do this on here. I would appreciate if you helped clean up. Thriley (talk) 22:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Thriley: Ok, I've made a pass through the article, rewording some sentences and making cuts to others. I don't think the History section was as bad as the Content section, so I think it might be good now. Eric Schucht (talk) 22:36, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look. I see similar issues in the "History" section, although more spaced out. The lengthy description below is copied verbatim and so does not meet WP:CLOP:

  • Wikipedia article: " [...] at the Greenwoods Country Club during a meeting of the Rotary Club of The Torrington and Winsted Areas."
  • Cited source: " [...] at the Greenwoods Country Club [...] during a meeting of the Rotary Club of The Torrington and Winsted Areas."[2]

But the sentence containing it also does not meet WP:V because the verb tense has been shifted to have the 2022 source verify a 2023 event in past tense:

  • "officially announcement [sic] their plan" (2023) from "will be officially announced"2022

Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 23:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rjjiii: Ok, I re-wrote the line about the Rotary Club and the Earwigs copyvio detector is now at 7.4%. Eric Schucht (talk) 03:36, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Thriley: and @Eric Schucht: - thanks for making the recommended changes and additional recommendations from @Rjjiii:. I further modified some minor language and I now get a Earwing copyvio score of 13% which is is fine since it's due to the quote. I went in and changed the ref names from numbers to author name. I can't think of the wiki guidance but I read it recently that you should not use numbers for ref name. I'm going to approve. Thanks!! Dwkaminski (talk) 14:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Dwkaminski: Thanks! A single quote is no big deal at all. Regarding the numbers, I believe there are two tools (Visual Editor and I forget the other) that create those numerical named references due to a technological limitation. WP:CITEVAR lists "replacing opaque named-reference names with conventional ones" as a best practice. There is a script created by Nardog that automates renaming with actual names: User:Nardog/RefRenamer Take care, Rjjiii (talk) 02:34, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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