Talk:William Hoskins (inventor)

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Review: September 24, 2021. (Reviewed version).

A fact from William Hoskins (inventor) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 February 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that William Hoskins, the co-inventor of modern billiard chalk, also invented the electric heating coil, used to create the first electric toasters?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2019/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/William Hoskins (inventor).

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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

See also: Snooker to-do list

Note: To watchlist this to-do list, click on "watch" at top right of this table. Watching the page it is transcluded on won't watch the to-do list.

Additional potential sources

The CHiC2 source identified the following offline sources:

Miles, Wyndham D., ed. American Chemists and Chemical Engineers. Washington: American Chemical Society, 1976. 231-232.
Marquis, Albert Nelson, ed. Who's Who in Chicago: The Book of Chicagoans. Chicago: A.N. Marquis and Company, 1931.

— SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 06:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More (not sure if URLs still valid):

"Chairmen of the Chicago Section of ACS", A Guide to the Chemical History of Chicago. [7]
http://www.toaster.org/hoskins.html
http://www.toaster.org/hoskins2.html
http://www.toaster.org/toastove.html

— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:43, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relevant 1901 lawsuit

Unresolved

– Source not added to article yet.

[This thread was moved here from User talk:SMcCandlish.

See Hoskins v. Mathhes. Quite a lot of detailed information such as the full breakdown of the chemical formula used for their chalk, how they came up with the idea, prior similar compounds and more. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hot stuff! (Sorry, I forgot to comment on this when originally posted.) — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ Contribs. 08:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:William Hoskins (inventor)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kavyansh.Singh (talk · contribs) 16:04, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I really like your way of reviewing an article and in-turn requesting for a review. Continuing that, here are few GA comments. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:04, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Comments

Ref#3 – ""William Hoskins" entry" – Quotes inside quoted should be single quotation marks (')
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Hoskins would complete just ..... his early years. – can we split the sentence?
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Link Detroit
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"early versions of the toaster" – not sure why 'the' is piped inside the link.
- Fixed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We need a separate "Notes" section for that single End footnote.
- Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref#8 just reads "Archived copy"
- Added title Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref#6, check the title, and lowercase the title and publisher/website.
- Fixed, though I think the reviewer wasn't clear. The issue was that we were giving it lower case when it shouldn't be. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - @SMcCandlish – Just to clarify, the version which I reviewed had "Toasters {} BETHANY MISSION GALLERY" as the title in Ref#6. It needed to be lower-cased as to avoid irrelevant emphasis, and the extra '{}' needed to be removed. Now, it is fine. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:23, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref#13 – What makes it reliable.
- It's not being used as a reliable source for claimed facts in the article; it's being used the primary WP:ABOUTSELF source of the "axolite" error. That is, it's an unreliable source except as a source for the fact that it contains this error, which was later popularized on CSI (and has not been found in any source material pre-dating this publication). It's like quoting tweets of Trump showing him lying; it's proof that the statement happened, not a reliable source that the claim made in the lie is true (nor that it is a lie; other sources tell us that, just as in this case other and more reliable sources tell us the correct name is "aloxite"). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:06, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks for replacing the citation with a more reliable source. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:23, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is a "[unreliable source?]" tag on Ref#14. Can it be replaced?
- Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref#18 – not formatted properly. Lacks URL access date, and few other parameters.
- It's a specific template. It didn't allow me to added an access-date. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - All of the refs can be redone, with patience, in WP:CS1 templates as we like, but this is not required for GA (or even for FA). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - I didn't realized that it was a specific template. No issues then. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:23, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ref#19 – check the title.
- No such ref. any longer. I've checked all remaining sources, and the URLs for them work (or their archive-url works; I added two of those) and the titles seem to check out. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Format the ISBN using this tool.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
File:Chemist William Hoskins and family ca 1885.png – can't claim that the author died 70 years ago, when we don't know who the author is. But the image should be fine to use, if {{PD-US-expired}} is used, as it was taken in 1885.
- License fixed. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:41, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
File:Spinks Billiard Chalk box top ca 1900.jpg – The work may be in PD, but is the image also in PD? Who took the image, it will most likely depend on the author of the image, as to whether they have released the image in Public Domain.
- SMcCandlish (uploader) would know much more on the suitability for commons on these images. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Irrelevant. It's a faithful reproduction of a two-dimensionial product label, so copyright doesn't apply to it, only to the underlying label which is now PD. It's licensed on Commons as it is for a reason. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:56, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Fine then. Still, if we could get any details as to who the author of the image is. But, that doesn't affect this GA nomination. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:23, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - Unknown at this stage. Might have been me; I had a collection of billiards memorabilia but I liquidated it in the mid 2010s. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:38, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The image could probably use ALT text.
- Done — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Copyvio detects this one is quite similar......
- A bit of that is WP:LIMITED, but there is one section where it is kinda bad. I've reworded to avoid the copyvio. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:47, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is all from me. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:04, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for poring over the details. :-) — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 00:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski – Everything seems good. Passing

the article. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:23, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.