Talk:Who is the Master that Sees and Hears?
Who is it that thus comes?
Huineng and Ejo; see Taizam Maezumi, "Appreciate your life" link. See also Masao Abe link. And: Martine Batchelor (2008), What Is This?, Tricycle Magazine:
In the Korean Zen tradition, one generally meditates on the koan, What is this? This question derives from an encounter between the Sixth Patriarch, Huineng (638–713 C.E.), and a young monk, Huaijang, who became one of his foremost disciples:
Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 20:15, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Hanshan Deqing's relevance
Hi @Joshua Jonathan,
The source (Sung-peng Hsu, A Buddhist Leader in Ming China: The Life and Thought of Han-shan Te-ch'ing, page 70) has Miao-feng describe the goal of Hanshan's practice as the realization of "the perfect wisdom of Kuan-yin." About this, Sung-peng Hsu says in note 37 (page 180) "Miao-feng's advice was apparently based on an instruction given in the Śūraṅgama Sūtra." In this same note, Sung-peng Hsu points the reader to Lu K'uan yü's translation of the Śūraṅgama Sūtra, pages 135-43, which have a section heading called "Meditation on the organ of hearing." Here Avalokiteśvara says, "I myself do not meditate on sound but on the meditator" and also speaks of "returning hearing to its source" (Lu K'uan yü, Śūraṅgama Sūtra, page 139). Sung-peng Hsu also says in note 38 (A Buddhist Leader, page 180) that "Miao-feng's advice to Han-shan that he practice meditation by means of the organ of hearing seems clearly to relate to the Śūraṅgama Sūtra." Citation now includes these notes. I think this is relevant and worth a mention since Bassui also points to the Śūraṅgama Sūtra's practice of contemplating the organ of hearing as scriptural support for his practice of looking into the one who sees and hears. Likes Thai Food (talk) 13:46, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I love your thoroughness! much better, with this explanation and additional notes. Regarding "identifies": that's interpretation; I think that my interpretation is better. Simplest solution: only the quote. Regards Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 13:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Joshua Jonathan,
- I don't think the word "identifies" falls under interpretation. After all, Mazu says "seeing and listening [...] are fundamentally your original nature [běnxìng, 本性]" (emphasis mine). The word "are" here is not merely a copula (as in "you are tall") but rather a word used to identify one thing with another, in this case seeing and hearing with original nature. But I am content with the page as it currently exists. So I am happy to let this go. Glad we could find some common ground.
- All the best! Likes Thai Food (talk) 14:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)