Talk:What If... the World Lost Its Mightiest Heroes?

Title

I guess there isn't much point arguing about the title not actually being revealed yet, but I will say that the capitalisation is wrong here. "The" should be lower case, as it is not the start of a new sentence and comes in the middle of a question. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:40, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, per MOS:THETITLE, An indefinite or definite article is capitalized only when at the start of a title, subtitle, or embedded title or subtitle. I think the "the" in this case is the beginning of a subtitle, though I could be wrong. IronManCap (talk) 20:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

I would argue pretty strongly against that. "What If..." is clearly part of the full episode titles, not just the series' name followed by a subtitle, since each title is a question beginning with "What" and ending with "?". This is the same situation as Friends, where every episode title starts with "The One" but the rest of the title completes the sentence and is not a subtitle. For example, "The One Where Rachel Finds Out" and "The One with the Fake Monica". - adamstom97 (talk) 21:26, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Moved, in that case. IronManCap (talk) 21:30, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Note about divergence

The episode makes it clear that it is not the Avengers' deaths that start the timeline divergence, but instead Fury's decision (before the events of the episode) to recruit Hope Van Dyne into S.H.I.E.L.D.. In the original timeline, Hope is not a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, instead, she tries to convince Hank to let her become the next Ant-Man. Fury's decision led to her death, which led to Hank becoming the Yellow Jacket, which led to him murdering the Avengers Initiative candidates. Currently, this article claims the divergence is the Avengers' deaths, but the divergence is revealed later in the episode. I think the note should be moved to the final paragraphs of the summary and revised. RobotGoggles (talk) 04:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I went a head with a "be bold" edit but if this change is controversial, let me know. RobotGoggles (talk) 04:50, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree that Hope going on a mission instead of Natasha should be marked as the original divergence. IronManCap (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah. When I originally added the note, I was completely unsure of the divergence was, so I added that Stark, Thor, and Barton's deaths were the divergence. — ChannelSpider (talk) 15:04, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

“Janet Van Dyne” or “Hope Van Dyne” in plot?

In the plot section, the article states that “Janet Van Dyne”, despite being dead logged into the S.H.I.E.L.D. database. However, in the actual episode Black Widow states something like “How can someone who died two years ago access the database?”. As established in Ant-Man, Janet died long before the events of this and not two years before, which would probably mean that the person she is referring to is Hope. Another issue is that the computer shows Janet Van Dyne, meaning that there seems to be a discrepancy here. So should it say that it was Janet who apparently logged in or Hope? Icedmorning (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't think there is any indication that Black Widow was talking about Janet in that scene, she says it was someone who died two years before which is when Hope died so she should be mentioned in the plot summary (if anybody). - adamstom97 (talk) 04:37, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Hope, probably. – ChannelSpider (talk) 11:54, 27 August 2021 (UTC)