Talk:Velar consonant

Spanish also has the velar nasal in words like mango, tango, an the like.

That's such a common allophone of /n/ that it isn't worth mentioning for individual languages. Just a note that /n/ is frequently velar before a velar stop, with some exceptions, like Korean. kwami 20:43, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

Velarlessness

Found an even better example of a freak language without velars than Xavante. Check it out: Vanimo :D

--Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 18:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Merger Proposal

The article about velarization needs some help, and I think the best way to help it would be to merge it with this article. Its contents are pretty technical, and the technical information seems as if it would have a better home here. --Roman à clef (talk) 19:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Why not just expand on the velarization article? — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 22:49, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Strongly agree that the two should be merged. After five years of existence, the total progress on the velarization article is a tiny amount of information and citations to the same authors. It would, however, make an excellent subsection of Velar consonant. Guy Macon (talk) 23:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Velarized (secondary articulation) is not velar (primary articulation). I agree the article doesn't include much (and indeed is unlikely to ever reach similar length as palatalization), but a better merge site might be secondary articulation, itself also a fairly short article. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 20:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. I struck my comments above. I think it should be merged with something, but I don't have enough background knowledge to have an informed opinion as to what should be merged with what. Guy Macon (talk) 00:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Making it a section in secondary articulation would work nicely. If it gets as expanded as palatalization, it can easily become an article again. We might also consider whether we want to do the same with pharyngealization. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 02:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

No voiced stops in Mandarin?

The passage

Of course, [ɡ] does not occur in languages that lack voiced stops, like Mandarin Chinese

was inserted by @Kwamikagami: on 29 October 2008. This puzzles me because I think g, d, b are all common in Mandarin. Our article Mandarin Chinese#Initials bears this out. Loraof (talk) 00:41, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

@Loraof: Pinyin has the graphemes (basically letters) <b>, <d>, <g>, but Mandarin does not have the sounds [b] (as in bed), [d] (as in dad), and [g] (as in get) as distinct from [p] (as in sped), [t] (as in still), and [k] (as in skill). Mandarin, on the other hand distinguishes [pʰ] (as in pin), [tʰ] (as in top), and [kʰ] (as in can or kill) from [p], [t], and [k]. --JorisvS (talk) 18:49, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Actually, my claim was not very accurate. [g] occurs as an allophone of /k/ in atonic syllables. Saying /g/ does not occur is meaningless, since phonemes are only defined within a language where they occur, so I don't know how to reword. — kwami (talk) 22:12, 28 June 2016 (UTC)