Talk:Tyla (album)

Release label(s)

Cybertrip, I think you were wrong here when you said, and I quote "Epic Records is a subsidiary of Sony Music; and this edit gives the false impression that the album was released on streaming platforms everywhere except South Africa." First of all, yes Epic is a subsidiary of Sony but it does not take any credit for Epic's work. Sony distributes music for Epic, and Fax is a management company (with respect to Tyla). I have gone through multiple similar articles such as Invasion of Privacy, only the LP was released in Japan by Warner Music Italy, does it give false impression that the album was released on streaming platforms everywhere except Italy? The release history says it was released in various countries/regions and it does not specify which regions were excluded. Therefore, my point is, Tyla LP and vinyl were released in South Africa by Sony Music South Africa and track 13 was replaced by "Water (Marshmello remix)" on the vynil version. Any objections before I go on and add the information? dxneo (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Dxneo. The Japan row in Invasion of Privacy implies that the CD there came out a few days later than other countries, but the album was still available to stream in Japan when it came out initially. The label part doesn't really matter in that specific case since its merely pointing out the difference in dates. If you go forward with your edit I suggest that that you say "CD • digital download • streaming • vinyl", since all those methods were available in South Africa on 22 March. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 07:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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Nominator: Dxneo (talk · contribs) 15:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: 750h+ (talk · contribs) 23:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo: i'll review this. 750h+ 23:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

1. Well-written

lead

• 22 March 2024 through Fax, and Epic Records. the comma isn't needed
• Production and songwriting on the album was spearheaded by change "was" to "were".
• However, multiple dates were cancelled due to injury. remove "However". Change "injury" to "injuries"
• with many critics praising the versatility of music genres featured. add "the" before "music genres".

background and release

• While speaking on the album's sound prior to its release change "prior to" to "before"
• and that it would be primarily be "popiano", a blend of the amapiano and pop genres. remove the first "be".
• submission date in order to collaborate with the Nigerian singer Tems on the song "No.1". change "in order to" to "to" for conciseness.
• in Portland, Jamaica. unlink "Jamica"; per MOS:GEOLINK, only the smaller territorial unit should be linked.

composition and lyrics

• is a 41 seconds recording that plays ==> "is a 41-second recording that plays"
• with Tyla's vocals flactuating between the low "fluctuating" is spelt wrong.
• the forth song in the album, is described as a slab "fourth" is spelt wrong
• It features Tyla's smooth whispered vocals and synths with aspect of sadness add "the" before "aspect".

promotion

• conclude on 28 May 2024 in the Minneapolis Minneapolis is a city; the article "the" is not needed
• was later cancelled due to an injury that the singer suffered prior to the "prior to" ==> "before"
• she did pop-up shop appearances in London and Johannesburg in order to promote the record. "in order to" ==> "to"

singles

• Merge the first paragraph with the second one; single-sentence paragraphs generally aren't wanted.
• A live performance of "On and On" on the German music performance platform ColorsxStudios was released onto YouTube YouTube should be linked and change "onto" to "on".
• streaming platforms a day prior to the release of the digital EP Tyla. "prior to" ==> "before".

critical reception

• afrobeats, amapiano, pop, and R&B, while still remaining "true to her roots. remove the comma that follows "pop".
• while still remaining "true to her roots." remove "still".
• on an album where "where forward motion is a recurring metaphor" remove one of the "where"s.
• began her review noting that on the album, Tyla "flexes her fidelity to pop-R&B" and that the album "pulses with amapiano’s log-drum heartbeat". change the second "album" to "it".
• "shows she’s up to the challenge", labeling her the most "effective ambassador" in South African English, it is "labelling" not "labeling"

All  Done. dxneo (talk) 03:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I did one minor copyedit, but the prose part looks fine. Pass 750h+ 03:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

commercial performance

• No problems here, pass. 750h+ 03:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

2. Verifiable with no original research

• Are Breakroom Africa, DanceHallMag, the journalist dj, SlikourOnLife and EarOne reliable? Spotchecks performed on 13, 30, 51, and 56. Like the previous nomination, there are YouTube source but they are published by reliable sources. Earwig finds no obvious problems. 750h+ 03:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Breakroom Africa is most certainly reliable as it's information usually checks out. I've never used DancehallMag before, but it has been used over 250 times on en-wiki per dancehallmag.com  . Content on the journalistdj matches that of slikouronlife which has been used over 165 times on en-wiki slikouronlife.co.za   slikouronlife has been a news source for music for as long as I can remember, hosted by Slikour of Skwatta Kamp who sometimes interviews the musicians. Lastly, EarOne is indeed a reliable source, mostly used for radio dates. It is cited on a featured article "Your Power". dxneo (talk) 04:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I think slikouronlife and/or the journalistdj sources can be replaced, if that's what you're asking. dxneo (talk) 04:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Honestly I think I'm fine with the source quality then. Source review pass. 750h+ 05:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

3. Broad

It's a long article. Comparing it to other album articles it seems broad, and it's pretty long for a new album so I believe this is a broadness pass. 750h+ 05:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

4. Neutral

• Per 1. Pass 750h+ 05:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

5. Stable

• Because of the recent expansions I believe that after I promote this it'll be stable, so I'm going to stay neutral. 750h+ 05:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

6. Illustrated

All images have WP:ALT text. All four images are appropriately licensed, with one fair use image showing the album cover.

Verdict

@Dxneo: unless you have any other comments then i'd be happy to pass this for WP:GA status. 750h+ 05:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

750h+ Thank you for taking this review, please proceed. dxneo (talk) 05:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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• ... that Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems? Source: ref: One of the most powerful tracks is "No. 1," featuring Nigerian R&B star Tems. Tyla even pushed back the deadline to turn in the album so she could lock in the collab.
  • Reviewed:

Created by Dxneo (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

dxneo (talk) 06:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Image isn't appropriate; as per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, the image used for DYK must be in the article. It is also pending a review to see if it's free... I can't help there, as I've been unable to find where YouTube is keeping its licensing information ever since it was redesigned.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Chris Woodrich, would it help if the image was added to the article under this sub-section? And here is the video where the image was taken from, licensed under Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed). Alternatively, can I use this image which is linked in the article? dxneo (talk) 03:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• dxneo, having it in the article would fix the first issue. I've also been able to confirm the CC-BY license with this archive, so the second part isn't an issue. Once the image is in the article, we're good to go.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

(An aside - Apparently the license doesn't show up when I'm logged in and using Premium, but it does when logged out. Good to know). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Chris Woodrich  Done, and I can see the license either logged in or not. dxneo (talk) 12:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Awesome. Good to go now! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Note: I unpromoted this hook because I realised it breached WP:DYKIMG ("Try to avoid images that divert readers from the bolded article into a side article"; as such, it should be run without the image. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay AirshipJungleman29  Done. dxneo (talk) 16:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo:: Noting that I've tweaked the nomination to remove "(pictured)". Hey man im josh (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• @Dxneo, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh: Apologies, but I've pulled the hook, both because the set this was promoted to already had two music hooks and thus needed rejigging (see WT:DYK#Prep 4 rejigger; courtesy ping Bruxton), but also because I don't think the hook as currently written meets WP:DYKINT. If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention. There might be potential in the hook fact itself (i.e. the submission date delay), but in any case the hook probably needs to be reworded to add context for readers unfamiliar with either artist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh:, I thought the hook was supposed to be concise and straight to the point. "If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention." So how do we go about this, are we supposed to introduce them on DYK? I'm so confused. Any suggestions on how the hook can be improved? dxneo (talk) 08:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• I agree with Dxneo. Even without following recent music, I was able to tell that it was "that musician delayed album to allow collaboration with musician." We could contextualize it by including "South African singer" for Tyla and "Nigerian singer" for Tems, but that introduces repetition and doesn't seem to qualify Tyla sufficiently given her Grammy win and charting.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Contextualizing is probably a good idea and what I originally had in mind as the solution. Also while the Grammy winning thing is a good thing, not everyone may be following the Grammys or be as well-versed in entertainment. Not all Grammy winners are household names. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, yes you are right. However, these are two well established artists. Tyla peaked in top 10 in over 25 countries and was also certified higher than Gold in over 10 countries. On the other hand, Tems pretty much did the same thing and even more since she has been in the game longer than Tyla. We may say "South African singer Tyla…" as there are other Tylas, but there's only one Tems. Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 13:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that South African singer Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems?

If the Grammy Award wasn't enough to validate her notability, I hope the BETs got the job done. I mean, how long are we gonna discuss this DYK. dxneo (talk) 07:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The issue was never notability, it was interest and understandability. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, is the issue now addressed or…? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I suppose I can live with ALT1, although my preference would still be to include Nigerian singer somewhere in the hook. That would be optional though given the focus is on Tyla and adding that would make the hook far more clunky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

• I've been away from DYK for a while, so just to confirm - is it still kosher for me to reinstate the tick for ALT1? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Just to be on the safe side it might be better for a different editor to make the final decision, just for objectivity's sake. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

• Sounds okay to me.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Peer review 1

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Peer review

Tyla (album) I've listed this article for Peer Review because I think it has the potential to become a Featured Article. dxneo (talk) 07:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC) Comments Hello! I have some general comments first which will hopefully help get things started here. "To Last" seems to be 2:56 long according to the included tracklist, so the maximum permitted sample length would be 17.6 seconds. Although two samples is kind of hard to justify, so you could let go of this sample and just keep the other one, which is of appropriate length. Reply:  Done Both all caps and all lowercase are not used while writing publication names in references, for example, you would want to change every instance of "UPROXX" to "Uproxx", "the journalist dj" to "The Journalist DJ", etc. Reply:  Done There should also be a consistent format. I would suggest getting rid of the url format (www.ra.co, digital.abcaudio.com) and using just names (RA, ABC Audio) instead. Reply:  Done Student newspapers are not allowed at FA, for example Massachusetts Daily Collegian A non-primary source Tiktok should definitely not be used as a source (like this one) This is a bit of a pain to do, but MOS:CONFORMTITLE is a surprisingly big deal at FACs so that would have to be consistently applied. That means choosing either sentence case or title case, consistently, for every ref title. Also, you would want to link the website/publisher in every reference where they have an article. Reply:  Done Frankly, I am completely unfamiliar with the reliability of most of the African sources included. But any sources included in WP:RSPSS and not green-linked are a no-no. Reply: I did not find any of the cited source listed at WP:RSPSS Have you looked at print reviews that may not have been published online? These can be found using databases like Newspapers.com. If any of these exist and haven't been included in an article, that can be swiftly used to get an FAC closed. I will go more in-depth in the prose after the above is addressed, but in the meantime I had a few questions. Reply: There are some articles with the word "Tyla" the singer, but unfortunately they are subscription required so I cannot access any of them. "Capitalizing on her international breakthrough with its lead single "Water", the album features guest appearances" - What is the correlation between the success of "Water" and the decision to include guest appearances? Isn't it a solo hit? Reply: I believe the editor was talking about the album collaborations when they mentioned "guest appearances," not the song. "Recording sessions for Tyla took place in seven countries over two and a half years as Epic Records focused on fostering the singer's formal studio experience" - You want to avoid using "the singer" and just use Tyla's name or "her" instead. Also, the meaning of the second part of this sentence is kind of unclear. Reply:  Done "Production and songwriting on the album were spearheaded by the singer and her frequent collaborators" - I am curious how she already has "frequent collaborators", considering this is her debut album. I would also deem the "Fantastic Four" bit unnecessary to include in the lead. Reply:  Done I think the success of "Water" deserves to be highlighted more in the lead, since it is multiplatinum in so many countries and reached the top 10 in Australia, New Zealand, the UK and the US. Reply: Wouldn't that be a bit off topic as there is a whole "Water" article linked and a little discussed under the Singles section? If you feel like it must be more highlighted, please do tell and I'll work on it. "many critics praising the versatility of the music genres featured" - Did they praise the versatility of the genres or Tyla's versatility for being able to do so many genres? Reply:  Done It's unnecessary to say the album's success was "moderate", unless a secondary source made such a distinction. That covers some of the sourcing and the lead section. I hope you are liking the review so far. Best, NØ 15:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC) I will attend more requests after an hour, and yes, the review is fine and a lot of work too. dxneo (talk) 13:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC) MaranoFan, I think I've covered everything here. dxneo (talk) 14:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC) There still seems to be a mix of sentence cased reference titles ("Tyla hits up Shoreditch, Byredo's new store opens & more this week") and title cased ones ("Tyla Plans Announced The 2024 'Tyla Tour' In North America And Europe"). Also, the magazine is called People and not "Peoplemag", so all instances should consistently be changed to the former. "Capitalizing on her international breakthrough with its lead single "Water", the album features guest appearances from Kelvin Momo, Tems, Gunna, Skillibeng, Becky G, and Travis Scott." - The problem with this sentence is that the structure implies a correlation between the events. I think you can just remove the bit before the comma from here and mention the success of "Water" later in the lead along with the other singles. The originally scheduled March 1 release date does not look relevant enough for a mention in the lead to me, given the proximity to the eventual release date. Regarding mentioning the success of "Water" in the lead, you could do it briefly with a short sentence, like: "The album was supported by four singles: "Water", which reached the top 10 and achieved multi-platinum certifications in multiple countries, "Truth or Dare", "Art", and "Jump"." The key to good prose is being concise wherever possible. Some examples: "In 2021, Tyla signed a recording contract with the record label and then departed from South Africa for the first time in her life in order to attend a writing camp in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, where the label had organized a songwriting camp for Tyla." → "In 2021, Tyla signed a contract with the label and left South Africa for the first time to attend a writing camp they had organized for her in Dubai." "It was during this time that she met Ari PenSmith, Mocha Bands, Believve and Sammy SoSo, who would go on to become her collaborators and handle the majority of the production and songwriting work on Tyla" → "During the sessions, she met Ari PenSmith, Mocha Bands, Believve and Sammy SoSo, who later produced and wrote most of Tyla." "While speaking on the album's sound before its release, Tyla described the album as an "experimental album" in December 2023." Also, the statement she gave in October should appear before the December one. There is too much repetition of "the album" in the second paragraph of the Background and release section. Try varying it with "Tyla" or "it" "She had extended the album submission date to collaborate with the Nigerian singer Tems on the song "No.1" - Not sure why this statement would appear after the mention of the album release. It should definitely go earlier in the paragraph I apologize for stressing this, but two samples are hard to justify according to the NFCC. The prose says "Jump" is the only trap-infused song on the album, so I would assume it is not representative of the whole album's sound and thus should be removed. The "Truth or Dare" sample is more fitting since I guess it represents the amapiano sound of the album. The second statement in the "Truth or Dare" sample caption is not a full sentence but a period is used after it. "Tai Saint-Louis of HipHopDX noted that "the project is a collection of mid-tempo bops that could easily serve as background music for a dinner party, workout or study session." and Beats Per Minute described Tyla as a solid record with no skips." - These are subjective critical opinions, not a factual description of the music, and as such are more fit for the Critical reception section rather than Composition. You would just want to include objective descriptions of the musical styles/genres here. "Opening with "Intro", with production from South African record producer Kelvin Momo, is a 41-second recording that plays in the background while people converse" - This does not seem to be a grammatically correct sentence. Also, I do not think such a big quote about "Intro" is appropriate in this section since it should be about evenly split between the different tracks. I have seen people take issue with Musicnotes at FAC so my suggestion would be to remove it. "It is a pop, and R&B infused amapiano song' - No comma required between pop and R&B "It is described as a "kind of naughty song"" - Who is describing it as such? Direct quotes should all be attributed. Honestly, this characterization isn't very useful for readers to understand the musical composition of the song so I would remove it altogether. "Tyla sings about the desire of a woman to experience a squirting orgasm" - This sounds a bit informal to be in wikivoice and does not seem to have been paraphrased enough from the source. ""Truth or Dare", the fourth song in the album, is described as a slab of afrobeats and amapiano" - Wherever it is mentioned that something is being "described", readers would be curious who is doing it. You could mention the critic "On the chorus, Tyla sings about reminiscing about the times when her then-lover used to mistreat her" - close repetition of "about" "she's challenging him to catch up" - No contractions outside quotation marks "The seventh song on the album, "Butterflies", is a distinct fusion of hip hop, pop, and R&B" - distinct from what? "a great song to just groove to; the subdued atmosphere makes for an intimate experience, heightened by Tyla's luscious vocal performance," - purely subjective and also does not really belong in the Composition section "Tyla's objectives are to maintain the leaders of the movement at the forefront and to promote the pride and sounds of her nation as she sings "they ain't never had a pretty girl from Jo'burg, see me now and that's what they prefer" on "Jump"" - convoluted "featuring not so smooth vocals from Gunna, and Skillibeng" - informal, and the comma isn't needed ""Jump" opens with an intro by Skillibeng complimenting Tyla, calling her "an original gyal," then Tyla jumped in for the first verse with braggadocio" - mid-sentence tense switch "Described as the most pleasantly erotic song Tyla has released since "Water" is "Art", the tenth song in the album" - this is an oddly framed sentence Apologies but the Composition and lyrics section is currently not up to standard and will require complete rewriting before it can be considered at FAC. It would help to look at this section on existing FAs as a reference. There are many unattributed quotes and informal language. "On 30 November 2023, she performed "On and On" on the German music performance platform ColorsxStudios, then performed an unreleased remix version of "Water" with South African DJ and record producer Black Coffee" - this reads odd The singles section should include some of the other countries "Water" went top 10 in, since that is quite an impressive achievement. Not sure why the picture of Scott and Gunna is in this section? This section is way too long... 1989 is a good reference for rewriting this part. Only the really important information about the singles should be included and it should be done in a succinct manner. The Critical reception section has way too many quotes that could stand to be paraphrased a bit. It should also be arranged into themes in accordance with WP:RECEPTION and condensed a bit to club similar themes from different reviewers. The YouTube playlist external link is not necessary. I would suggest replacing it with the Discogs.com listing. The copyvio score is higher than optimal on three sources and needs to be brought down. The new batch of comments is a lot of work so I hope you take your time with this and do not feel overwhelmed! I see you have put it up for a WP:GOCE copyedit already, which should significantly help break down the long sentences and take care of the comma issues. Tyla is a talented artist, and I am always happy to help bring attention to Epic Records artists considering how terrible the label treats them... Hopefully this helped and this can attract more reviewers. Cheers, NØ 17:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC) Hello MaranoFan, I have tried to address the issues raised here with assistance from GOCE. My only worry is the Composition and lyrics section since you said it's far from meeting the FAC standard, we worked on it, and trimmed the article. I swear the article lost lots of calories than Gunna sweating after snitching haha. Please look at it and give me the feedback. I only left out Critical reception for later since (only the prose) wasn't written by me and it doesn't seem to carry a lot of work. I'm really tapped out sheesh. I also addressed the lead single issues and so on Thank you for taking this review mate, you the best. dxneo (talk) 16:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC) Thank you for the patience you have shown as well as all the hard work! I am hyped to revisit the article in the next few days after reading your description of the progress made. Things seem to be headed in the right direction.--NØ 02:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC) Template:FAC peer review sidebar I have added this article to Template:FAC peer review sidebar. Please consider reviewing other articles listed there. Z1720 (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Track listing

According to Sony Music, "To Last" was replaced with "Water (Marshmello remix)" on the vynil version of the album. However, according to eBay's Vinyl Turquoise Blue With Signed Insert, "No. 1" was replaced. Due to an ongoing conflict against an IP user, I'm here seeking clear consensus. dxneo (talk) 03:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Even merchbar’s site is glitched and says it has both No. 1 and To Last. Just use the physical product’s track list details or even Tyla’s posts about her vinyl release. 47.223.58.232 (talk) 03:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I see this IP has been blocked for 6 months in the past. My guess is that it was because of this behavior as they have had few warnings on their talk. dxneo (talk) 04:10, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I wasn’t blocked for 6 months lol, it was an accidental flag that they subsequently undid. I edited while going to Starbucks and it noticed both IPs for the use. I’m literally the one who told you to come to my talk page this isn’t a “gotcha”, I’m an open book ask me what you want.

Also thanks for answering about Tyla. Guess we figured out several vinyl sites have errors in their tracklists for her. Labels are so cheap sometimes 😂 47.223.58.232 (talk) 04:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Funny guy. Okay Trevor Noah, the blocklog says otherwise. I'm just gonna seek consensus here before I move on to address Peer review issues. Just so you know, this is a good article, meaning it was fact checked. I noticed you even tweaked content about the singles. dxneo (talk) 05:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)