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BTW, good idea breaking this out. It is a bit ironic because the Overtone Singing page started as a page on Tuvan throat singing then bits of other stuff got added to it that made it less Tuvan. Then someone created that "Types of" page which I thought was too redundant, but this now works. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Karg(ry/yr)aa

I changed the "Kargryaa" to "Kargyraa" after noticing that the page Overtone singing had the latter spelling. My choice of changing this page's spelling is based on a) a google search that yeilded over 600 times more results for "Kargyraa" than for its alternative, and b) to my very very basic understanding of Cyrilic, which seems to indicate this pronunciation. If you find me wrong, please feel free to correct me. Emaskask (talk) 04:18, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, that's a typo. It's definitely "kargyraa". Good catch. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 06:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to have [been] reverted! Good grief.

I also noted inconsistent spelling between the Khoomei title and the body text; in the latter, it says "khomeii" more than once. I was going to fix these, but I'm not sure of correct spellings. I've seen it, more than once, as "khöömei", btw.

Regards, Nikevich (talk) 09:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dumchuktaar

The article says, "Dumchuktaar (written in Cyrillic: Думчуктаар) could be best described as "throat humming". The singer creates a sound similar to sygyt using only the nasal passage. The word means to sing through the nose (dumchuk). The mouth does not need to be closed, but of course it demonstrates the point better."

Fisrt of all, dumchuktaar does not necessarily sound similar to sygyt. Dumchuktaar is simply throat singing nasally. You can sing khoomei, sygyt, or kargyraa in dumchuktaar. The last clause, "but of course it demonstrates the point better," while true, does not seem encyclopedically suitable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.187.150.45 (talk) 17:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Romanization of Tuvan

Please join a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Central_Asia/Tuva_task_force#Transliteration_of_Tuvan_Language. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 23:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Paragraph and image unconnected to rest of article

The paragraph beginning "Ordinarily, melodies are created by..." and the accompanying image of the harmonic series looks out of place. It does not elaborate on any of the content around it. If the discussion of the harmonic series is relevant to Tuvan throat singing, that needs to be made clear in this paragraph; otherwise this paragraph and the image adds nothing and should be removed. ProfGiles (talk) 10:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Section on Mongolian performers and bands

Why is there a whole section on Mongolian performers and bands when Mongolia and Tuva are separate countries, and this article is about Tuva (not Mongolia)? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 05:18, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 June 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. While there is some indication that the current title may not be ideal, there is no consensus for the move as proposed.(non-admin closure) Mdewman6 (talk) 23:14, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was proposed in this section that multiple pages be renamed and moved.

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Tuvan throat singing → Khoomei
Khoomei → ?

– The technique does not appear to be unique to Tuvans; in fact it appears to be more commonly associated with Mongolia. Much of the article also describes more of Mongolian rather than Tuvan singing. It would make more sense to use the common name; otherwise "Mongolian throat singing" would also do fine. No News ! 06:45, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Khoomei titles a page with content and so it must also be dispositioned. If this request is granted, then Khoomei may be moved to Khoomei (disambiguation) and tagged with {{One other topic}} in accordance with WP:ONEOTHER, or it may be deleted to make way for the first proposed page move. P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 17:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is that joke? Search who Tuvans are first that's huge difference calling Tuvans Mongols. Cengizsogutlu (talk) 07:48, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

+Calling something only Mongolian is not accurate. it's like completely erase Turkic culture from this tradition. Tuvans are Turkic People who lives in Mongolia. A different page can be created under Mongolian throat singing. Cuz Mongols and Turkics Two races that are similar but different. Cengizsogutlu (talk) 11:02, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tuvan throat singing is also listed on UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage Lists Cengizsogutlu (talk) 11:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The proposal does not appear to consider WP:USEENGLISH, as it is not clear that Khoomei is the most common way to refer to Tuvan throat singing or Mongolian throat singing in English. Also, there are several different styles of Tuvan throat singing that include Sygyt and Kargyraa as well as Khoomei. Also, the proposal does not address the question of ambiguity, and Khoomei is a disambiguation page that includes the general concept of Overtone singing as well as Tuvan throat singing. The proposal also suggests a change of article scope, but it is not clear that such a change is appropriate. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:56, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I agree that the current title is a misnomer. "Throat singing" is a popular way of describing overtone singing, but some Tuvan and Mongolian styles are not "throaty" at all (e.g. sygyt). And then there's undue weight on the Tuvan tradition in the title, even though the article has much information about the Mongolian tradition as well. So indeed we already have a title/content-mismatch. But: moving the page to "Khoomei" won't heal this, because a) Khoomei is not all too commonly used in English texts and b) Khoomei as a generic term for all overtone singing-styles is even less common. –Austronesier (talk) 16:26, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.