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Former good article nomineeTupou VI was a History good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Current status: Former good article nominee

line of succession

What is the order of succession now? Is Lavaka Ata 'Ulukalala now the Crown Prince? – Kaihsu 10:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That depends, if the CP is the heir-apparent (Ulukalala isn't). If the CP title is the next-in-line (heir-apparent or heir-presumptive) then he is (pending the King's marriage & birth of legitimate children). GoodDay 14:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see Line of succession to the Tongan Throne. – Kaihsu 14:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

Can someone put in the article somewhere a phonetical translation of the name?Nam3witha3init 05:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Monarchial name

Should we add Tupou VI to the article title? GoodDay (talk) 03:50, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Defiantly, but it's on the title blacklist, possibly because people tried moving it there before he was king. I'll request the move now. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[1] 06:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was not moved. However, if he does choose a different regnal name, I suggest that a full RM is not required at that point. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ʻAhoʻeitu ʻUnuakiʻotonga Tukuʻaho → ʻAhoʻeitu ʻUnuakiʻotonga Tukuʻaho Tupou VI – All articles on past kings of Tonga have there monarchical name after their common name. ʻAhoʻeitu ʻUnuakiʻotonga Tukuʻaho is king now, so his article's name should be changed. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[1] 06:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC) Question - Do we know if he going to keep his Tongan name as his regnal name, or is he going to adopt an English name like his brother? CanuckMy page89 (talk), 06:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He is already being called "Tupou VI", but he may indeed choose a particular regnal name to put in front of that. We should wait until it becomes clear exactly what his regnal name is going to be. Aridd (talk) 12:08, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We could add Tupou VI to the article title. We can easily change the title again, if the King uses an english name. GoodDay (talk) 16:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • BBC calls him "King George Tupou VI". The previous kings of Tonga are generally referred to as "King George Tupou [XX]". No one else is using "ʻAhoʻeitu ʻUnuakiʻotonga Tukuʻaho". Kauffner (talk) 01:56, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Proclamation of the new King

Today the proclamation with the regnal name of the new king was published (see Announcement of the Passing of His Late Majesty & Proclamation of the New King). The Tonga Government Portal states: The Title for the New Monarch of Tonga will be His Majesty King Tupou VI, King of the Kingdom of Tonga. Therefore I moved the article to Tupou VI. Gugganij (talk) 18:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[1] 02:19, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The King's regnal name

According to the B.B.C.'s website, the King has chosen to be known as 'King George Tupou VI' .

Someone needs to seek confirmation of this from the Government of Tonga.

The English name of the monarch is in common use, even within Tonga. - (203.211.77.199 (talk) 05:50, 27 March 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Religion

Is His Majesty a member of the Maronite Church, or the Free Wesleyan Church? I believe there is conflicting information from this page and among others. 50.108.3.85 (talk) 04:45, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 17:54, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tupou VI → ʻAhoʻeitu Tupou VI – The official name is ʻAhoʻeitu Tupou VI. Idh0854 (talk) 08:13, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

Unsuccessful. —Ganesha811 (talk) 13:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Ganesha811 (talk · contribs) 02:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Hi! I'll be reviewing this article, using the template below. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here. —Ganesha811 (talk) 02:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, this review will have to be a quickfail per Wikipedia:Good article criteria. It is a long way from meeting GA criteria #2 and especially, #3. This article has a lot of expansion and editing needed before it is close to being well-sourced and comprehensive. The article contains no detail about his six years as PM, nor any detail about his other diplomatic roles. The second paragraph of 'Life' is wholly unsourced, even for very opinionated statements. And the material on his reign is scant and lacking in detail. The 2017 dismissal of Parliament, which attracted significant international attention, is mentioned, but not fleshed out. The only other event mentioned is the volcanic eruption. Even without looking at domestic Tongan sources, international news has covered other aspects of his reign and there is much material that could be added.
Regrettably, the article is simply not a comprehensive encyclopedic look at Tupou VI right now, and cannot be assessed on the other GA criteria. I have listed some potential sources down below, but there are others you can find. I also recommend assessing the reliability of some domestic Tongan sources and looking there as well. As this is your first GA nomination, please don't feel too discouraged by this! The article could definitely get to GA one day. Please feel free to ask me if you want any further advice or clarification, and keep on editing and contributing to Wikipedia! Thanks for your improvements here. —Ganesha811 (talk) 13:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
2c. it contains no original research.
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
7. Overall assessment.

Potential sources

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/tonga-considers-treason-charges-royal-slurs-facebook

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/300506593/tongas-king-calls-for-unity-as-he-vows-to-rebuild-amid-ash

https://www8.austlii.edu.au/nz/journals/CanterLawRw/2020/14.pdf

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/08/29/tonga-china-south-pacific-influence-506370

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/tongas-king-dissolves-parliament-and-orders-new-elections/

https://apnews.com/article/wang-yi-tupou-vi-australia-new-zealand-penny-wong-be03e24ea527e6e05230486de1472591

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/25/it-really-woke-parliament-up-king-of-tonga-criticises-government-handling-of-drugs-crisis

https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/handle/1885/159479

http://intersections.anu.edu.au/issue42/metuamate.pdf

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13510347.2016.1212019

https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/5/article/683745/summary

https://books.google.com/books?id=Bt2PEAAAQBAJ

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GA Review

Unsuccessful. —BlueMoonset (talk) 21:37, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Begocc (talk · contribs) 13:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]


GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    The prose is reasonably good, could be slightly extended.
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
    The lead could benefit from a slight rewrite, as its a bit too short.
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
    not exactly sure if all the citations are good, may need someone more experienced than me to cover this
    C. It contains no original research:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    again, like last nomination, it doesnt cover the 6 years as prime minister (although it did at least mention some of it)
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
    as far as i can see, its pretty well balanced.
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    Still failed for the same reasons as before.

His Time as PM

Do you have any ideas of how I could get some sources on what he did during his time as PM. History6042 (talk) 20:37, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History6042, there was a list of sources given in the previous GA review, Talk:Tupou VI/GA1, when it was closed. Have you investigated them all? Or seen whether there might be published books that could be obtained from a library? My thought is that this nomination should probably be closed as unsuccessful as the last one was, since the basic issues remain. Until you can find sufficient adequate information about the time as Prime Minister for inclusion in the article, then this article shouldn't be nominated again for GA. There's nothing wrong with this: some articles simply don't have sufficient information available to qualify at that level, though they are still valuable parts of Wikipedia. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:07, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thank you. History6042 (talk) 18:06, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset, @Begocc, what's the status of this? It looks like it's been failed, but the review is still open? -- asilvering (talk) 17:03, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
asilvering, while the first review failed, this second one remains open, and I don't understand why. Nominator History6042 hasn't made a single edit since the review opened, and Begocc hasn't returned to finish what they started. My suggestion would be for Begocc to fail the nomination, or if they haven't returned within seven days, I'm willing to do so; History6042 should not renominate until the issues raised here have been fully addressed in a new series of edits to the article. Thanks for asking; I'd forgotten about this one. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As Begocc has not edited in the past seven days, and History6042 has made edits but not to the article or to this page, I am closing this nomination as having been abandoned by both nominator and reviewer. The article should not be renominated until the issues raised in the review have all been addressed. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:33, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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GA Review

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Nominator: History6042 (talk · contribs) 15:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 20:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Earwig shows no issues.

  • File:Tonga princes.jpg says it's by Taina Kami, who as far as I can tell is a professional journalist. The uploader's talk page on Commons is here, and it appears from that that they've been questioned about uploading images that were not public domain as claimed and did not reply. I think it would be best to delete this from the article.
  • Given that the population of Tonga is only about 80,000, I'm not expecting the news sources to be big media companies. MatangiTonga looks OK; it gives an editorial board. However, what makes Kaniva Tonga a reliable source? The about page lists only one person. Does it have an editorial staff?

Will do spotchecks next. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spotchecks. Footnote numbers refer to this version.

  • FN 18 cites "Concurrently, he served as a non-resident Ambassador to Japan from 15 January 2010 until his succession in 2012." Verified. Technically this doesn't say he ceased to be ambassador once he became king; I'm not going to treat that as a verification failure but I think it should be removed or rephrased or cited separately.
  • FN 14 cites "In 2004, seven Members of Parliament advocated for his resignation as Prime Minister following their decision to boycott the inauguration of the Tonga Legislative Assembly." This does not say there were seven members who called for his resignation.
  • FN 9 cites "His departure coincided with a period of heightened civic unrest, as pro-democracy protests gained traction from mid-2005 onward." The resigning prime minister named in this source is 'Ulukalala Lavaka Ata, not Tupou, or 'Aho‘eitu ʻUnuakiʻotonga Tukuʻaho, the other name you give for him. I see from FN 7 that this is indeed another name for him; can this be mentioned in the article? This is not a verification failure, though.
  • FN 28 cites "The celebrations included many international invited guests, and an estimated 15,000 people, mostly expatriate Tongans, flew in to join the celebrations." The source has "An estimated 15,000 people, mainly expatriate Tongans, flew in for the coronation ...". This is too similar, per WP:CLOP, and needs to be rephrased.

A couple of changes needed. I'll pause the review until these points are addressed. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I will do this. History6042 (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The image has been deleted. Kaniva Tonga sources are gone. Will do the rest History6042 (talk) 00:24, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added a separate citation to the "Ambassador to Japan from 15 January 2010 until his succession in 2012." for leaving the job. History6042 (talk) 00:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done History6042 (talk) 00:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the "In 2004, seven Members of Parliament advocated for his resignation as Prime Minister following their decision to boycott the inauguration of the Tonga Legislative Assembly." issue, I changed seven to several. History6042 (talk) 00:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixes look good; I see you haven't added anything to say his name was also 'Ulukalala Lavaka Ata -- not a problem if you don't have a source but it would be useful if you do.

Second spotchecks, since there were some errors first time around:

  • FN 31 cites "On 15 January 2022, he was temporarily relocated from the Royal Palace following the eruption of Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai and the ensuing tsunami." Verified.
  • FN 7 cites "Transitioning to a military career, he joined the naval arm of the Tonga Defence Services in 1982, achieving the rank of Lieutenant-Commander by 1987. He graduated from the US Naval War College as part of Class 33 in 1988." This is fairly similar to the source phrasing, but this sort of thing is hard to rephrase so I think it's OK.
  • FN 37 cites "In response to the revocation of their appointments, Siaosi Sovaleni and Fekitamoeloa ʻUtoikamanu publicly announced their resignation from their respective ministerial positions in April 2024." Verified.
  • FN 11 cites "He was installed as Chancellor during the USP Tonga Graduation ceremony in July 2013". Verified.

Spotcheck passes. Will read through and add comments, probably tomorrow. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find a good way to put in the alternate name. And thank you. History6042 (talk) 02:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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