Talk:Thronion (Illyria)
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Is there any source that indicates that Thronium (or its unidentified site) was inhabited by Illyrians? To avoid misunderstandings when saying "on the Illyrian coast" it defines a geographic place and not ethnography. We don't even know the exact location of the city and scholarship so far doesn't say a word about Illyrian presence in Thronium. Hence the template 'Illyrians' is misleading.Alexikoua (talk) 03:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
POV lede addition
- The 'on the Illyrian coast' recent addition contradicts several scholars who prefer to place this Greek city on Epirus, Dominguez, Stocker, Hernandez etc. It violates wp:NPOV and should be removed from lead.Alexikoua (talk) 03:44, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- There are several reliable sources that even describe Thronion as an Illyrian city, but I added the more balanced wording considering it an Ancient Greek colony in Illyria, which was most likely the case. If that description doesn't suit your sensibility, then we can include every theory put forward until now, and Ancient Greek city will be removed from the main description. – Βατο (talk) 08:44, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
- 1. There is nothing that describe Thronion as an Illyrian-inhabited city. 2. A balanced version will be to remove your 'Illyrian coast' addition since it's not universally accepted in scholarship. In fact it's refuted by several scholars. To sum up it's POV.01:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- We have already clarified it in the case of Oricum (see the long discussion in Talk:Oricum#Unconstructive edits), which was located certainly further south than Thronion, no need to waste other time here. There are sources that describe it as an Illyrian city, but I didn't add them because I included the most accepted theory among scholars: Greek colony on the Illyrian coast. Thronion was certainly on the Bay of Vlora, which makes up the southernmost Adriatic coast, within the traditional definition of Illyria. This has been clarified many times now. – Βατο (talk) 10:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- 1. There is nothing that describe Thronion as an Illyrian-inhabited city. 2. A balanced version will be to remove your 'Illyrian coast' addition since it's not universally accepted in scholarship. In fact it's refuted by several scholars. To sum up it's POV.01:39, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- There are several reliable sources that even describe Thronion as an Illyrian city, but I added the more balanced wording considering it an Ancient Greek colony in Illyria, which was most likely the case. If that description doesn't suit your sensibility, then we can include every theory put forward until now, and Ancient Greek city will be removed from the main description. – Βατο (talk) 08:44, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Hinterland/interior
Since the foundation of Thronion and until its destruction around 450 BCE the hinterland of the Adriatic coast where Thronion was placed was inhabited by Illyrians. Epirus formed much later, and the area was incorporated into it only in Hellenistic times. This addition [1] is not an improvement. Btw, Thronion has never been attested as a polis, but a polisma. – Βατο (talk) 10:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)