Talk:Taylor Lorenz

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Ashley Rindsberg (September 1, 2022). "Investigative Issues: The Significance of WaPo's Taylor Lorenz's Crybullying". RealClearInvestigations. Retrieved September 16, 2022. But Lorenz, who declined to be interviewed for this article, has also become a lightning rod whose Wikipedia "controversies" section is as long as the rest of the entry.

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^ Siu, Antoinette (August 13, 2021). "TikTok Talent Agent Ariadna Jacob Sues NY Times, Reporter Taylor Lorenz for Defamation (Exclusive)". TheWrap. Retrieved August 16, 2021.

Date of birth?

Massive multiple year guesstimate as to her birth year combined with a purposely limited early life section. What's up with that? 2600:6C56:5A3F:D8BC:D865:B924:73B5:C129 (talk) 00:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The birth year range is explained in the article; it's due to conflicting sources. Not sure that the early life section is "purposely limited", can you elaborate? Elli (talk | contribs) 05:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is explained, indeed, but this seems rather unsusal. On most articles on Wikipedia I see regarding living persons, their exact birth date plus year is listed, and if not the exact date, at least the year is. The only other time I see where it's not certain when exactly an individual was born is in remote tribal areas where records are either poorly kept, or non-existent. Does this woman not have a birth certificate? While not impossible, it seems rather unlikely that being she was born in New York City, presumably sometime in the 1980s, that she would be born without any sort of precise record of when it occured. Of course, I don't blame Wikipedia itself for this sort of shoddy reporting. 2601:8C:417E:26A0:B80E:3997:E7F9:83DE (talk) 13:28, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Various ages for Lorenz may reflect different reference frames. JohndanR (talk) 20:55, 15 June 2023 (UTC) Birth date 21 october 1984 Source Information Ancestry.com. U.S., Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 2 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.[reply]

Original data: Voter Registration Lists, Public Record Filings, Historical Residential Records, and Other Household Database Listings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.123.121 (talk) 22:08, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Parents

"Taylor Lorenz was born to mega rich developer Walter R. Lorenz (65) and Anne Lorenz (67) & raised in a $5.7 million dollar mansion. Her sister is Brook Lorenz of CNN." https://www.sgtreport.com/2022/10/this-thread-is-fascinating-modern-journalists-come-almost-exclusively-being-from-mega-rich-families-taylor-lorenz-and-others-exposed/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.141.86 (talk) 21:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is false. For instance, the idea that her uncle owns the Internet Archive is verifiably false. She denies being raised in a mansion as well. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MacDonald doesn't own the InternetArchive but he is Founder of Internet Archive’s Television Archive and he is her maternal uncle. This is brought up because Lorenz's twitter feed pre 2017 is excluded from the InternetArchive. Her father is the COO of Hobbs Incorporated, a very large real estate development company out of Connecticut. Her sister Paige Lorenz does work for CNN. She grew up very wealth including a $90K/year boarding school in Switzerland (by her own admission on this). DarrellWinkler (talk) 18:28, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Archive does not exclude her Twitter account because she's related to the founder. Anyone can request that their info be excluded. I see people like the Twitter Files writer and Clay Travis allege malfeasance, but it isn't. Haven't seen sources on the other bits. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:31, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Details about her family should not be included unless reported on in reliable sources, regardless of whether any of this stuff is true. And even if it was reported on in reliable sources (which it doesn't appear to be), the names of her non-notable family members should not be included. Endwise (talk) 23:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article intro

The article intro mentions "known for internet culture" but does not cite a reference. Also should we add the doxing issue to the intro since it is extensively referenced in the article ? That incident is how many people first heard of her and her work. Frackeroni (talk) 16:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We do not need to cite sources in the lead. This sentence is reflected in references throughout the article. The doxxing issues probably could be included, but we need to discuss in depth and work to make sure it aligns with MOS:LEADBIO. glman (talk) 20:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Birth year

This article has a specified birth year for Lorenz (1984), but this does not have a citation (there is no age range in this spot). Additionally, there's discussion here at Talk about the age range presented in the article (in the infobox), and both the infobox and the date at the beginning of the article have an attached note that provides the rationale for the range (but not the year). Is it common practice to provide a specified year when it is not known? --Pinchme123 (talk) 03:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It says "c. 1984", so it's not exactly a "specified year" Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Why is the earliest reported year specified, rather than one from the middle of the range ('85 or '86)? --Pinchme123 (talk) 04:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a great question. All other things being equal, I think 85 or 86 would be improvements. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I picked one. --Pinchme123 (talk) 04:09, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it's worth anything, Lorenz recently seemed to vouch for the 40 Under 40 list which places her in 1984/1985. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 05:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She tends to troll a bit on Twitter regarding her age (see here for example where she says she's 43), so I'm not sure we can take her word on her Twitter remarks. Endwise (talk) 07:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hameltion If she qualified for a 40 under 40 list three years ago (presumably 2021), that would only mean she's was confirmed by that list's publisher that she was born sometime from 1981 onward. Which does not pinpoint any of the years in the age range used here; it certainly doesn't provide stronger evidence for '84 or '85 rather than '86 or '87. --Pinchme123 (talk) 02:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(The list says 35 years old and is from September 2020.) Hameltion (talk | contribs) 02:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you'd like the details of a source to be considered as important in this conversation, I suggest you link to it. As of right now, the only link you've provided is to a tweet from January 2024 mentioning an unnamed 40 under 40 list from three years prior. There's absolutely nothing here to go on, otherwise. --Pinchme123 (talk) 18:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the confusion, it's this which is already cited in the article. And to be clear, I don't disagree with the existing consensus which decided against picking one "most likely" date, but that's no reason to pick a random year in the range if we're still saying circa. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:47, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had no idea this specific subject had found a consensus at Village pump. "Closed with a consensus to include all birth dates for which a reliable source exists, noting discrepancies." (bold in original) And "...no consensus to include only one "most likely" date or to choose a date from one of two or more reliable sources, no consensus to leave the information out entirely if conflicting dates have actually been reported in reliable sources, and no consensus to attempt WP:OR to extrapolate the date of birth ourselves." Given this, I now think we should go back to the whole date range, rather than one specified year. So something like "c. 1984-1987", in both the opening paragraph and the infobox. And of course leave the note in place to explain the range. --Pinchme123 (talk) 18:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Firefangledfeathers (talk / :::::::::::contribs) 18:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and did this. --Pinchme123 (talk) 19:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Siu, Antoinette (August 13, 2021). "TikTok Talent Agent Ariadna Jacob Sues NY Times, Reporter Taylor Lorenz for Defamation (Exclusive)". TheWrap. Retrieved August 16, 2021.

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