Talk:Tarim, Yemen
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 | On 29 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Tarim. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
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this article should be named "Tarim" and not "Tarim, Hadhramout" Abo Yemen✉ 21:38, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 29 July 2023
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 11:09, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
– as per WP:COMMONNAME Abo Yemen✉ 09:43, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- I have combined these requests per WP:RMPM. These were originally posted as technical requests, before being quickly opened as requested moves. SilverLocust 💬 11:04, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- also see the google trends chart Abo Yemen✉ 10:39, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- I have combined these requests per WP:RMPM. These were originally posted as technical requests, before being quickly opened as requested moves. SilverLocust 💬 11:04, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - WP:COMMONNAME is not case enough to move an article when the proposed title is potentially ambiguous. It has to be proven that the article is also the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC before it can be moved. estar8806 (talk) ★ 14:15, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- Almost every page about a city only has the city name without the ", (country/region name)" but if someone wants to search about a basin then they'll probably add the word "basin" after the basin name. also according to the google trends chart, the town of tarim gets the most searches Abo Yemen✉ 10:37, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose no primary In ictu oculi (talk) 15:48, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- the Tarim, Hadhramaut page is the primary topic Abo Yemen✉ 10:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Should the article not be moved to the primary topic, Tarim, Yemen is the proper title, per WP:PLACEDAB. The Tarim, Hadhramaut seems to have been created as a cut and paste move. 162 etc. (talk) 16:21, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
- @162 etc. Thanks for pointing that out. I agree with that move. Should we tag this article for a WP:HISTMERGE in the meanwhile? estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:23, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Tarim indicates a pattern of readers looking both for the basin and the city, and the numbers are only 21, 19 and a total of 94, so I think we need a much stronger rationale to make any changes. --Joy (talk) 08:39, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- see the google trends chart[1] Abo Yemen✉ 10:40, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- What I read from that chart is that the town had a claim to being primary topic by usage up to a couple years ago, and now it does not. Hence, it was a case of WP:Recentism? --Joy (talk) 10:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- It is still more searched than the basin Abo Yemen✉ 11:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- That may well be so, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a commercial search engine, and its criteria for how navigation is supposed to work for the average reader are not identical as theirs. --Joy (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yes but you do realize that whenever someone searches for something in a search engine, almost everytime the first result is a page from wikipedia Abo Yemen✉ 14:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- This is a clear case of WP:NOPRIMARY. Out of all pages listed on the Tarim dab page, none have a strong enough case to be th eprimarytopic by pageviews [2]. Google Trends show the same [3] (the original google trends you provided compared a search term to a result, and the result would always be more common in that). Finally, Google ngrams also do not support this article as the ptopic [4]. estar8806 (talk) ★ 16:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- atleast move the Tarim page to Tarim (disambiguation) and make the Tarim page the redirect? Abo Yemen✉ 16:58, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- That would still treat one article as a primary topic (or rather primary redirect) which is not supported by the sources. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:19, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Alright how about Tarim, Hadhramaut → Tarim (Town) Abo Yemen✉ 17:29, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- That would still treat one article as a primary topic (or rather primary redirect) which is not supported by the sources. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:19, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- atleast move the Tarim page to Tarim (disambiguation) and make the Tarim page the redirect? Abo Yemen✉ 16:58, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- This is a clear case of WP:NOPRIMARY. Out of all pages listed on the Tarim dab page, none have a strong enough case to be th eprimarytopic by pageviews [2]. Google Trends show the same [3] (the original google trends you provided compared a search term to a result, and the result would always be more common in that). Finally, Google ngrams also do not support this article as the ptopic [4]. estar8806 (talk) ★ 16:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yes but you do realize that whenever someone searches for something in a search engine, almost everytime the first result is a page from wikipedia Abo Yemen✉ 14:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- That may well be so, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a commercial search engine, and its criteria for how navigation is supposed to work for the average reader are not identical as theirs. --Joy (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- It is still more searched than the basin Abo Yemen✉ 11:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- What I read from that chart is that the town had a claim to being primary topic by usage up to a couple years ago, and now it does not. Hence, it was a case of WP:Recentism? --Joy (talk) 10:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- see the google trends chart[1] Abo Yemen✉ 10:40, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.