Talk:Styles of pop music

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Missing genres

@GogoLion. Hi, here's the lists of missing pop genres, if you are still interested in making list complete. These ones are proper pop subgenres, which should be placed in the correct sections of the list:

'Popular music' articles. Some of them refer to pop-music only, some are about overall popular meta (incl. rock, r&b, soul, etc). So it worth to check the about the subject they describe - and if it's just pop, then place them to regional section (and it also worth to nominate them to renaming to plain pop if needed).

The genres which are subclasses of pop music on Wikidata. They might be real pop music genres and should be placed in proper section, or, if not, then should be placed in 'related genres' section.

Solidest (talk) 16:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

+ many from the Category:Pop music genres are also missing from the list. Solidest (talk) 16:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The only genres that i missed are only bitpop and cringe pop. Adult Contemporary is a radio format. Bedroom pop is still debatable, as the page says "By the 2010s, journalists would indiscriminately apply "bedroom pop" for any music that sounded "fuzzy". Dark pop is not a genre, it's like "ballad pop", just a style. Neon pop-punk is explained in pop-punk section. New pop is a movement, not a genre. Pop rap is already done (see hip pop). Pop-punk also already done. Post-Britpop is rock music. There's no article about Ragga pop. Wonky pop is already done. And the rest are regional scenes, should be added in new section. -GogoLion (talk) 22:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disco pop addition

I've tagged a few items in the disco-pop section as it's a bit of a mess. there is no mention of disco-pop, what the style is defined by (outside what appears to be a questionable fan sources), and the history is vague. There is no mention of disco pop in the lead NYT sources specifically. it doesn't even states if it's a style of pop so it's inclusion here is dubious. Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC) c[reply]

  1. I couldn't find any direct quotes about the date of appearance. But the term is used in NYT quite a few times in articles in 1977-1979 [1], I don't know why you didn't notice the term in the listed one. Esquire says 1976's Dancing Queen is disco-pop, here the same about the 1978 album [2], here about 1979's "I Was Made for Lovin' You" [3]. Billboard magazine also has many mentions of the term from 1979 onwards. And the disco article itself says about the transition to pop during this period. I doubt that direct quotations are really required here, when the list article is in a format of short summarising, and is not a standalone full article. But perhaps indeed it could be rephrased to something like "the term has been in use since the late 70s".
  2. Regarding with the genre characteristics - I've summed up them from the listed sources that write them in the context of mentioning the term (saying disco-pop album/song has groovy disco bone with pop's melodic vocals and hooks). But the only source doesn't seem like a fan quality to me - old sites like this with deep content on music genres are often used as RS in the genre articles, and here I think there is enough expertise considering the weight of the articles on this site. But of course it would be better if something else could be found directly about the characteristics, because that's currently the weakest side.
  3. Regarding the decline in popularity - I could put a reference to disco backlash, as that's what I meant - it applies to both genres. Regarding the following decades, already listed [4] says that it wasn't until the 90s when disco elements started to appear again and only in the 00s strict disco-pop tracks like "Hung Up" stated to appear.
  4. Regarding the fact if it's a pop style - it seems obvious to me, and also that it should be in this list, and I doubt it needs a direct quote for that (otherwise you can make the same claims for 1/3 of genres listed here). The listed sources already talk about the genre in the context of pop music, saying it's a "pop trend", "pop scene" or equaling it to "disco-infused pop".
  5. But anyway the description can be improved. I have wikilinked somewhere around 175 articles to the redirect - and almost everywhere the term is specified with sources. The term itself is very easily traceable in sources, so I think that it will not be a problem to improve this paragraph for those who are interested in it (up to the expansion into a separate article, if they can find details on the characteristics and history). Solidest (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You'll have to find something more substantial, and the old site doesn't seem to pass WP:RS standards. Also, that's WP:OR and fails verification if you can't find specific sources. Critic's can use the term all you want but without some stronger definitions, these hybrid genres are used without intrinsic meaning and you can't just say that's when a style started. Just because a term is used continuously, doesn't mean there is any sources that you are trying to make here. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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