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'Heelside'

Highback - A stiff moulded support behind the heel and up the calf area. The HyBak was originally designed by inventer Jeff Grell and built by Flite Snowboards. This allows the rider to apply pressure and effect a "heelside" turn.

shouldnt that be a backside turn? 1:53, User:130.89.186.171

no, because it's a frontside turn. heelside and toeside take away any ambiguity Ralphy 17:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

?????? Trust me a heelside turn does not exist. And highbacks are not that much important for for frontside turns. It's better to say that highbacks can help with bending your knees more, which is important in general and that it helps (the more forwardlean) with carving..... User:130.89.186.171

How you refer to types of tuns may Varies where you go. In the USA I've heard heelside and toeside. A Snowborder would undersdand both ways of saying it. I've only Snowbored in North America so i don't know what you call it in other places. Front/Back side sounds really confusing to me. Is a Front side turn when you tun onto your front side (toe side) or trun away form (heel side). (6 years EX) (6 years EX but only riding. New to Terain parks)--E-Bod 03:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Surely a frontside turn is on your heels, i.e. a left turn if you are regular. This would follow the same convention as a front side spin or riding the front side wall of a pipe. I agree that it's confusing since I've heard people use the term incorrectly lots of times. Heelside and toeside do take away ambiguity but they sound rather silly and I've never heard anyone using these terms, although I haven't been to the US for a long time, all my riding is done in Europe. Ralphy 19:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok Thanks. I ride Goffy. I remeber When i Scatebord in the US and your ride the other way it's called fakey and when i went Snowbording in Whistlers (once) in BC Canida they called it Swithed. It's so weird Typing in difrent forms of English (US UK ETC...) and then read people arguing over words.--E-Bod 22:28, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Now you're talking about something completely different. Switch or fakey riding (the two terms means the same thing) means you have switched the direction of the board and you are riding with your back foot in front, e.g. if you are a goofy rider this would mean you'd be riding with your left foot in front of your right with the tail of the board leading. This discussion is not about switch/fakey riding. It is about which turn is 'frontside' and which is 'backside'. We have ascertained that if you are riding regular then a left turn is a frontside turn. If you are riding goofy then a right turn is a frontside turn. Ralphy 09:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

A frontside turn on the slopes is always on your toes! A backside turn is on your heels. That's always the case no matter if you are goofy or regular. Heelside toeside is not a "good" snowboard term. Did you ever hear someone saying during a snowboard contest "HEELSIDE 540"?. Goofy is riding with your right foot for, and regular is with your left foot. If you are riding regular (left foot for) , and you make a turn to the left, then you make a turn on your heels, which is your backside and not your frontside. I hope I made it clear now (Jornt who has an Austrian Landes degree on snowboard teaching and 5 years of experience teaching).

To make things more clear - http://www.carver.cc/galleries/photo.php?photo=123&exhibition=8&u=127%7C0%7C... (standing left foot for (as you can see on the binding angle), doing a backside turn (on his heels), which is a turn to the left. If you assume that this http://www.carver.cc/galleries/photo.php?photo=121&exhibition=8&u=127%7C6%7C... and this http://www.carver.cc/galleries/photo.php?photo=122&exhibition=8&u=127%7C7%7C... are the same rider then you see that on the last pic he is doing a frontside turn (regular, making a turn to the right on his toes). http://www.carver.cc/galleries/photo.php?photo=88&exhibition=6&u=64%7C1%7C... (as you can see by the binding angle, this guy is standing goofy (right food for), doing a turn to the left, on his toes, which makes it a frontside turn. So to conclude, a frontside turn is always on your toes, and when you are done with the turn you upperbody faces the mountain. A backside turn is always on your heels, and when you are done with the turn your upperbody always faces the valley. It's pretty that funny that when I explain this the first day to my students they always get it. No matter if they are goofy or regular. So I don't think that it is that confusing to say backside/frontside.

It's taken me a while to recover from viewing those photos but anyway - I can't beleive that a backside turn is on your heels. If you do a frontside 360 then you turn with the front side of your board leading the spin. In my opinion turns made whilst the board is touching the snow follow the same convention, which means a frontside turn is on your heels. I've lived in a resort for the last 5 years and most of the guys here have been riding since they could walk. I chatted with a few of them and the consensus seems to be that a frontside turn is on your heels. Ralphy 09:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Btw - please sign your name when adding comments. Thanks Ralphy 09:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Frontside is when you lean on your toes 174.45.55.225 (talk) 18:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Do you know the 1/3 rule with making a turn? If not you should change edges at 1/3 of your turn. Which means that if i start frontside (on my toes) I change edges at 1/3 so I'm standing on my backside again. So I make 2/3 of the turn on backside. According to you this is a frontside curve. Does it make any sense to be on the backside of your board most of the time and call it a frontside? Besides "front" suggests front, which is the direction in which you look, your toes. Back suggests back which is basicly your back, so your heels. With jumping its the other way around. And with doing rails it's like this again. If you don't believe you can also check that carver.cc page. Look at the description of the pics, and then look at which leg is standing in front. This is what me, my fellow teachers, and the people who give snowboardteacher course say....... Jornt

This discussion definitely deserves to expand Frontside whenever someone feels like it. My experience is that on-the-snow turns are never referred to as front/back side, but exclusively toe/heel. However, on-the-snow toe side does feel like a frontside ( i can see ), and heelside feels like a backside ( relatively blind ). On-the-snow terminology remains up in the air?

When jumping, the body position after 90 degrees names the spin. If after the first 90 the chest and toe edge is facing down the hill, the spin is a frontside If after the first 90 the chest is facing up the hill, the spin is a backside. Through a frontside 180, the rider's eyes may remain forward through the movement. Through a backside 180, the eyes must break their downhill gaze and rotate through the spin. One of my colleagues prefers 'lightside' (frontside aka legs only) and 'darkside' (backside or blind) when introducing 180s. 360s and beyond name based on the 1st 180. Every 360 includes one frontside and one backside 180 to make the full spin. Takeoffs may be flat-board, off the heel, or off the toe without effect on the terminology.

Finally, this is obviously confusing -- lets try not to insult each other here. I tend to avoid all mention of these terms when teaching as it is simply not worth taking the time to explain before an intermediate level. ∴ here…♠ 15:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Maybe that's the difference between Europe and other parts of the world. From my experience (france, austria, the netherlands, germany, switzerland, czech, belgium) people refer exclusively to frontside and backside... Jornt

Agree. In the US I've only heard Toeside/Heelside. I haven't snowborded in europe. Then again I haven't been in the Terain parks mutch(I changed my coment earlyer to reflect this). Can we all add where we snowbord so we know why sombody is saying Front/back instead of heel/Toe. It's like arguing over colour and color This conversation is getting Extreamly Long and pointless--E-Bod 00:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I suggest changing "heelside turn" into "heelside/backside" turn then. So that it is also clear for the people in Europe. Jornt

It would be nice but only once in the arile it could end up like (the fallowing is a joke I don't meen it to be offesive. I am verry temped to do it myself) How about Heelside tun (Backside) or Backside turn (Heelside) once. But too much seem unencyclpoidiatic. it's like writting (Sounds/reads like a good idea, but green is a better colour/color board.

Just use alternivie words sparigle but once should be ok cosidering this humongus Online Debae over the word--E-Bod 22:27, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Im a snowboard instrcutor have been for 6 years with 16 years of riding experience.. a heel side turn is when you turn on your heels... usually frontside..

toeside turn is when you turn on your toes...it's that easy...theres no variation just people who dont know what there talking about..

now when your boardsliding

a frontside board slide is when you are sliding with your back facing forward a backside board slide is when you are sliding with your fron facing forward

the above is fact!

the moves orginiate from skating.

lip slides how ever are a differnt matter.. depends on what aproach you are taking to the rail/box and what edge you are poping off snowboardreview.org

Stomp Pad

The following section doesn't sound grammatically correct. I am terrible at grammar so if someone else wants to fix this? Burtonbluntsnowboard (talk) 01:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Placed between the bindings, but closer to the rear binding the Stomp pads' purpose is to allow the rider to better control the board with only one boot strapped in, such as when maneuvering onto a chair lift, riding a ski tow or performing a one footed trick.

I attempted to make it less awkward sounding. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 04:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Great edit, sounds perfect! If I changed some of the other sections to be a little more up-to-date would you mind going through and fixing my terrible grammar whenever you had a chance? OlafBerserker (talk) 19:50, 15 January 2013 (UTC) formerly Burtonbluntsnowboard

Sure, leave a note on my talk page and I'll give it a once over. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 22:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Board Type

This section needs completely re-written in my opinion. I think there should be 3 separate distinctions in board type.

Type of:

• Camber(Camber(normal), Reverse Camber(Rocker), Hybrid, and possibly S-Rocker and Flat)
• Board Shape(Directional, Twin like, Twin)
• Style(Freestyle, Freeride, All Mountain, Split Board)

What are other peoples views on this? I also strongly believe that Camber should be moved from board construction and put into board type OlafBerserker (talk) 04:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

That sounds great, that is a really good idea 174.45.55.225 (talk) 18:32, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I think this needs to be re-written as well. I attempted to do so yesterday, but my attempt was over written. I think this section should be divided into three; Board Anatomy and shape in which a snowboard's parts are explained (nose, tail, base, edge, etc.) Board Profiles (camber, Rocker, Flat, Rocker-Camber Combo), and Board Styles (All-Mountain, Freestyle, and Alpine) User: libraryladyinvt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Libraryladyinvt (talk • contribs) 14:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Snowboard

I’m surprised that Dimitri Milovich is not given at least partial credit for the invention of the modern snowboard even though Winterstick, his company, was mentioned. Milovich had the first patent on the modern snowboard. 2601:647:CB02:7190:D5E:2169:BCF5:3434 (talk) 17:07, 10 March 2022 (UTC)