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What I think should be changed: change 'Scottish Rock Band' from the sub header when you search for Snow Patrol via the search bar on Wikipedia. 'Scottish band' appears as a dropdown when you search for the bands name and before you click to be taken to their Wikipedia page.
Why it should be changed: the band are not a Scottish Rock Band, they are from North Ireland and this needs to be amended to say 'North Irish Rock Band'. They were founded in Scotland but very proud of their Northern Irishman.
The members were born in Northern Ireland, but the reason why it is Scottish is because all of the members at the time officially formed the band in Dundee, Scotland in 1994. There are other sources out there that refer to the band as both "Northern Irish" and "Scottish" at the same time, though to be honest, I do not feel like anything really needs to change yet until a consensus can be reached regarding the band's nationality in the lead section. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The band were founded in Scotland, as they met at university and 1 past member was Scottish. However the 3 remaining band members are from Northern Ireland and this article [1]from Belfast Live reiterates this point with it's mention "the Co Down superstars", which is a region of Northern Ireland.
The lead paragraph can remain with saying "Snow Patrol are a rock band formed in 1994 in Dundee, Scotland". However, the issue is when you're on the Wikipedia homepage and search 'Snow Patrol' in the search bar, the subheading reads "Scottish rock band", which they are not and would like to be changed. Joheroncloser (talk) 12:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is, as it is mentioned in MOS:NATIONALITY, the guideline states that "the opening paragraph should usually provide context for that which made the person notable. In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory where the person is currently a national or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, where the person was such when they became notable". In this case, we will use AC/DC as an example: the members are Scottish, but they formed in Australia, which makes them an Australian band. The guideline mentions that the opening paragraph should provide context where the band or person was when they became notable. Snow Patrol formed in Scotland, so it makes a lot of sense that the band should be referred to as 'Scottish'. HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or, how about we don't attach a nationality to something that is a thing and not a person? Or just have as British if need be as that covers all aspects of it. Never understood how a band can have a nationality. Canterbury Tailtalk17:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We'd need to associate the band with Northern Ireland as much as we can. None of the band members are Scottish and very proud Northern Irishman, with the new album being an ode to their roots in Northern Ireland.
Could we rephrase the opening paragraph to say "Snow Patrol are a rock band from Northern Ireland. The band were originally formed in 1994 at University of Dundee in Dundee, Scotland". Would this trigger the search bar subheading to then read 'Northern Irish Rock Band'? 185.145.152.162 (talk) 13:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because the members are Northern Irish does not make the band so. The band formed in Scotland, per both origin in the infobox and the sourced history. If anything, I can agree with Canterbury Tail, and state the band as British. HorrorLover555 (talk) 14:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have gone ahead and looked for some independent sources in regards to the band's nationality, and have found multiple sources on it.
These are the sources I present, which a majority of them refer to the band as "Northern Irish-Scottish". If that is the case, why not compromise and simply refer to the band as just "Northern Irish-Scottish"? Most of the other related articles refer to them as such. If not that, then maybe refer to the band as "British" per Canterbury Tail's reason. HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes there but also if you go to the search bar on Wikipedia (on the top of the website) and type in 'Snow Patrol' it'll bring a few options and the top shall be 'Snow Patrol' with 'Scottish rock band' underneath it. Will this change automatically once the short description changes? 185.145.152.162 (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you - are we able to add it to the first sentence of the first paragraph too? To something like "Snow Patrol are a northern irish-scottish rock band formed in 1994 in Dundee, Scotland." 84.64.27.17 (talk) 08:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done HorrorLover555 (talk) 18:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: consensus would be needed before implementing a potentially controversial change like this. Kline • talk • contribs 16:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)