Talk:Sibling

Sibling bands

Should this trivia section really be here?? In what way does it contribute to any encyclopedic knowledge and understanding about siblings??? I would like to remove it. Lova Falk Lova Falk 11:13, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

As nobody has explained the importance of this section, I will be bold and remove it. Lova Falk Lova Falk 19:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

one more sibling band

hi, i know the section isn't really needed but i wanted to contribute a tiny little thing, i added Kalmah there because there are siblings in the band, but i don't know too much about making links, or formatting, or anything, really, so.. i just hope my microscopic contribution helps someone >< ~moon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.215.149 (talk) 11:19, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Sibling#Famous groups

I created a "Musicians" subcategory for this group. The reason being, over half of that section was musical groups, so it helps to make it more legible. This has also been alphabetized. Considering the sheer size of this "famous groups" category, I would like to propose exporting the section to famous sibling groups or something like that, and then we can simply link to it at the bottom in 'see also' This keeps this article a bit less cluttered. Y12J (talk) 17:26, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Stepsibling vs Half Sibling

The section marked Stepsibling had the definition for half sibling listed underneath it. I fixed this by paraphrasing the definition for stepsibling from wiktionary, and creating a new section for half sibling with the rest of the content. I'm assuming this was some accidental deletion in the history of the article, and I based my change on known dictionary definitions. 63.87.189.17 (talk) 18:08, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Links

I tried the "sister" link and it just linked right back to this article. I assume the "brother" link does the same. I think these links should be removed or reworked since links linking back to the same article are utterly useless. 64.30.108.142 (talk) 15:32, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Since brother and sister redirect here

We should cover their etymologies as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.11.36.165 (talk) 20:44, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Section titles

The word "sibling" is repeated over and over again in many titles in this article. I think this is unnecessary, seeing as how the context it pertains to is clear by the title of the article. I've been bold enough for the day, so I'd like to invite someone else to make the change, or else at least voice some feedback or support for this proposal before going forward. Basically I think the word 'sibling' should be ommitted from the section headings. It makes it unnecessarily long, and overdescriptive. Sibling#Types of siblings could simply be shortened to Sibling#Types for example. The same with its subheadings, they could be called Full/Half/3quarter/step/milk/god/foster/adoptive/cross/cousins. Same with changing Sibling#Sibling rivalry to Sibling#Rivalry and Sibling#Famous sibling groups to Sibling#Famous groups. Could someone share their views about this? Y12J (talk) 17:26, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I also noticed that somebody attached an explicit anchor to "Half sibling". Section titles already create an implicit anchor. Removing it now though will probably break some link the clueless created somewhere else. Cloudswrest (talk) 18:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Cross siblings?

I'm confused by the entry on 'cross siblings'. I've never encountered this term before, and I'm struggling to comprehend how it differs from 'step siblings'. In the example text, Michael (M) is said to be the maternal half-sibling of Kevin (K), and the paternal half-sibling of Eden (E). So let's call M's mother A, and his father B. K's mother is also A; let's call his father C. E's father is B; let's call her father D. K and E are said to be cross-siblings. Why are they not step-siblings? Or is it just that they are not necessarily step-siblings?

• An example from my recent genealogical research covered an instance where (equivalently) A and C were initially married, and B and D were initially married. C and D both died, and A and B married. K moved in with them (and probably E), and M was born. B reported K as his stepchild on the census; so presumably K is E's step-sibling?

AlexTiefling (talk) 13:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I know this term as been removed from the article, but as I understood it, we have an individual, Michael (M). His parents (we'll call them April and Ben) are no longer together. April has a child (Kevin) with another person, Cedric, while Ben has a child (Eden) with Dorothy. Michael now has two half-siblings, a maternal one (Kevin) and a paternal one (Eden). But Kevin and Eden have no genetic or familial relationship with one another, except through Michael, their mutual half-sibling.

If there was a situation where April/Cedric/Kevin were independent from Ben/Dorothy/Eden, Kevin and Eden wouldn't necessarily have any relationship (as step-siblings) with one another except through Michael. So I think the term "cross-siblings" was used here to describe a situation where they weren't necessarily step-siblings.

I love the term "cross-sibling". I was looking to see whether such a term existed because it aptly describes a situation that is close to home. My mother's mother had two older children (A and B) from a previous relationship with a guy, who had other children (C and D) from another relationship. My mother and C and D would be cross-siblings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.51.111.234 (talk) 00:03, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

You see cross siblings played out on soap operas a lot. Like on Days of Our Lives Bo Brady had a half sister on his father's side named Isabella and a half sister on his mother's side named Kimberly. Kimberly and Isabella were never step siblings. And then years later Kimberly's daughter Theresa had a child with Isabella's son Brady named Tate (so Bo would be like his double half great uncle) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.18.123 (talk) 07:11, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

The term has been added back, but I see there is no indication that this is an actual word, or just a word made up between two people. I think this page misinterprets this reference, and that the reference does not indicate the existence of this word. If other independent references can't be found I suggest its removal.198.151.8.4 (talk) 14:04, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Visualising the example:

Cedric

April

Ben

Dorothy

Kevin

Michael

Eden

It seems to me that the basic difference between cross-siblings and stepsiblings is:

• Cross-siblings are linked by a parent of one and a parent of the other having had a child together. So if April and Ben had never had any children, Kevin and Eden would not be cross-siblings.
• Stepsiblings are linked by a parent of one and a parent of the other having married. So if April and Ben married having already produced Kevin and Eden, Kevin and Eden would be stepsiblings, whether Michael existed or not. On the other hand, the situation in which Kevin and Eden were born after April and Ben divorced means that Kevin and Eden are only cross-siblings, not stepsiblings. The same would apply if Michael had been born out of wedlock, whether before, after or between Kevin and Eden.

If polygamy, polyamory, adultery or rape is involved, it gets more complicated.... — Smjg (talk) 12:05, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Since the word cross-sibling is not standard usage, I think we should change "Cross-siblings are individuals who share one or more half-siblings" to read "The term cross-siblings has been proposed for individuals who share one or more half-siblings." Dirac66 (talk) 18:28, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

What do you call this?

What would you call half siblings who share one parent and whose non-shared parents are half siblings? For example, Bob married Jill and had a child with her. Then they divorced and Bob married Jill's half-sister, Mary and has a child with her. What would the children be called? Nikofeelan (talk)

5/8 sibling? It's probably not common enough to have any name. --Cloudswrest (talk) 20:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I think I saw a website refer to a bunch of these type relationships as "enhanced half siblings"

Half siblings share 25% dna and siblings share 50%

if you shared 1 parent and the other parents were siblings the shared dna would be around 37.5%

if you shared 1 parent and the other parents were half siblings the shared dna would be around 31.25% (same number I think if you substituted the half siblings with double cousins)

if you shared 1 parent and the other parents were cousins the shared dna would be around 28.13%

if you shared 1 parent and the other parents were half cousins the shared dna would be around 26.56.25%

You call it a half sibling who is also a half cousin. They are first related as half siblings through one parent (Bob), and they are then later related as half cousins through one grandparent (Sidney). You can have more than one relationship with a person. We are describing the half sibling the relationship, not a every possible half sibling relative. All of us are related to some degree and we all share 99.95% of our genetics, therefore if relationships where defined by the amount of blood consanguinity or genetics people shared there would be more types of relationships than people on the planet. Relationships stack in general they don't modify.

Gladys Sydney Hannah Jill Bob Mary Me Sibling
is equal to
Jill Bob Mary Me Sibling	and	Gladys Sydney Hannah Bob Jill Mary Bob Me Sibling
Half Sibling through their dad		Half Cousin through their moms grandparent

198.151.8.4 (talk) 17:50, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

thoughtfulness

I was initially confused by the use of the word 'thoughtfulness' in the opening summary. To be, thoughtfulness means first a state of thinking, although of course it also means 'considerate' or similar, clearly the intent here.

However, it redirects to 'thought' which is not really anything to do with the concept. I've searched for synonyms but 'considerate' is an uncited article about a legal concept, and can't find anything else suitable..

Remove the link to 'thought' for now, but has anyone got any ideas? Bertcocaine (talk) 18:56, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

American Heritage Dictionary defines "solicitude" as: "n. 1. The state of being solicitous; care or concern, as for the well-being of another." I think that is the sense you are looking for, but it should not be in here at all unless someone has shown this to be true. Is one prone to be more solicitous of a sibling than a friend or lover? Not so sure. 183.88.72.109 (talk) 08:52, 3 January 2013 (UTC)n0w8st8

The sources cited in this article contradict the statements they're supposed to support.

For instance, the introduction cites a source that explains how the idea that you share 50% of your DNA in common with your siblings is a myth and that the actual number is 99.95%. However, this is used to support a statement that perpetuates that misunderstanding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.20.253.71 (talk) 04:16, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Since the above comment was written, this point has been explained in the new section Consanguinity and genetics. The 50% is actually the consanguinity and refers only to the few genes which vary between humans, but the fraction of all genes shared is indeed 99+%. Dirac66 (talk) 01:07, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Unsourced "Types"

There are quite a few unsourced entries in the "Types" section, and some very poorly written ones. "Step", "Adoptive" and "In-Law" are fine, and likely "Foster" too, but IPs keep attempting to add "Skip" and I question we should even mention the other unsourced obscure entries currently in the article such as "God", "Milk", "Cross", "Pseudo", "Ex-step", "Dibling", "Blood", and "Spirit". Meters (talk) 06:50, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Most of the entries I find questionable are relatively recent additions. Meters (talk) 06:51, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Myself

My English is not perfect, sorry. I have a sibling, a full sibling, a twin sibling, an identical twin sibling: myself. Please correct the definition: Sibling(x, y) := ((Mother(x) = Mother(y)) or (Father(x) = Father(y))) AND (x not= y)! 31.46.157.21 (talk) 17:02, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Zoltán, after reading I think you are are saying that a person is not there own sibling. This is true a person can NOT be there own sibling. But, I do not think the definition has this confusion. It says "A sibling is a gender neutral word for a relative that shares at least one parent with the subject". A subject and their relative is not the same person in English as a relative can not be yourself.192.26.8.4 (talk) 13:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I think I am a relative of myself (I am a native Hungarian). 31.46.157.47 (talk) 18:18, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

In English you are not a relative of yourself.192.26.8.4 (talk) 11:37, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I also have siblings myself and its wonderful. We spend a lot of time together.alice@Girl 69 41.116.101.52 (talk) 14:54, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Twins

There are several sentences written about twins which do not have much to do with siblings. Shouldn't this be removed or moved to the article on twins? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.253.238.230 (talk) 14:36, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Zeroth cousin

Siblings should be considered zeroth cousins

You know if you share don’t share a parent in common, but a grandparent, great-grandparent, great-great-grandparent there cousins

third cousin - shares a great-great-grandparent in common

second cousin - shares a great-grandparent in common

first cousin - shares a grandparent in common

zeroth cousin (sibling) - shares a parent in common

Why is the term sibling used when it should be zeroth cousin? 2603:6011:E00:FDE9:D907:396B:6163:1CC8 (talk) 21:33, 3 November 2022 (UTC)