Talk:Sam and Diane/Archive 1

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Themeparkgc  Talk  07:38, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


Sam Malone and Diane Chambers → Sam and Diane –

  • Per WP:COMMONNAME, everyone refers the duo of Cheers as Sam and Diane. I'm still working on the article, but I believe "Sam and Diane" is preferred by everyone. George Ho (talk) 10:22, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
  • We already have articles on Sam Malone and Diane Chambers, do we really need another article? These are fictional characters from a situation comedy, after all, and the relationship lasted only, what, four out of the series' nine seasons? Anyway, as far as the name goes, since we already have articles on the characters themselves, the article on their relationship should be titled accordingly, something like "Relationship of Sam Malone and Diane Chambers". Powers T 15:04, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
    • They are the most discussed all over; nevertheless, Sam's and Diane's articles are too individual, even with desired cleanups. Also, there are some lists that references the couple as either the best or the worst couple on television. --George Ho (talk) 00:22, 14 January 2012 (UTC) Correction: That was five out of eleven seasons plus the finale. The press talks about them, and DVDs and reruns help the primary sources become reliable more than periodicals do for soap operas. Google: [4], [5], [6]. --George Ho (talk) 00:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Removed during copy-edit because this essay isn't about Cheers or Sam and Diane, and only mentions them once in passing: Baffle gab1978 (talk) 11:58, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

In 2010, Erich Kuersten from Bright Lights Film Journal criticize this couple for agonizing viewers by dragging out their "will they or won't they" relationship for too many seasons.[1]

From 'Analysis'; relies on a source removed below: Marisa Connolly from Georgetown University called Sam and Diane "a pair of frustrated lovers."[2]

Since when were unpublished dissertations considered reliable sources? Also the second source mentions Sam and Diane in Cheers only in passing, in one instance, and with no detailed discussion of Sam and Diane. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 11:54, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Reviewers from universities dubbed the relationship a gay male character Will (Eric McCormack) and a straight female character Grace (Debra Messing) from Will & Grace as a blend of this Cheers couple and Felix and Oscar from The Odd Couple.[2][3]

Now this is really clutching at straws – passing mentions of Cheers characters in all three sources (I left the fourth in as it has a more substantial comparison): Baffle gab1978 (talk) 12:55, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Media, such as the USA Today[4] and Rocky Mountain News,[5] distinguished between two "Sam and Diane" pairs: the bartender Malone and the barmaid Chambers from Cheers, and two newsanchors Donaldson and Sawyer from the television news program, Primetime Live. Robert Bianco from The Pittsburgh Press remarked that these newsanchors were doing the "inevitable Cheers playful banter" to each other without "downplay[ing]" it.[6]

This whole paragraph is referenced with inconsequential, single-mention articles with no in-depth analysis.Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Other critics contrasted Sam and Diane to other television pairings. To Bill Harris from Canadian Online Explorer, putting the investigation pair, Detectives Benson (Mariska Hargitay) and Stabler (Christopher Meloni), of the crime drama Law & Order: SVU, into romance, despite presumed chemistry between them, would affect the show, as Sam and Diane did to Cheers.[7] Bill Lawrence, creator of Scrubs, assured: J.D. (Zach Braff) and Elliot (Sarah Chalke), despite romantic chemistry and storylines together, are not the will-they-won't-they couple, Sam and Diane, and Cheers is not Scrubs.[8][9][10]

References

  1. ^ Kuersten, Erich (2010). "Someone to Fight Over Me: Feminism, S&M, and the Daemonic in 'Twilight'". Bright Lights Film Journal. 68.
  2. ^ a b Connolly, Marisa (2003). "Homosexuality on Television: The Heterosexualization of 'Will & Grace' in Print Media" (PDF). Journal of Communication, Culture & Technology. 3: 16–17.
  3. ^ Battles, Katherine; Wendy, Hilton-Morrow (2002). "Gay Characters in Conventional Spaces: Will and Grace and the Situation Comedy Genre" (PDF). Critical Studies in Media Communication. 19 (1). California State University, Northridge: 93.
  4. ^ Roush, Matt. "On TV; Loose Ends." USA Today 13 September 1990: D5. Web. 12 May 2012 [1]. (subscription required)
  5. ^ Saunders, Dusty. "Tiff Irrelevant to 'Primetime' Show Has Improved Steadily." Rocky Mountain News [Denver, CO] 4 August 1991. Web. 12 May 2012 [2].
  6. ^ Bianco, Robert. "Donaldson, Sawyer could take act on the road." The Pittsburgh Press [Pittsburgh, PA] 21 July 1989: D9. Google News. Web. 12 May 2012 [3].
  7. ^ Harris, Bill (20 February 2007). "Liplock not in plans for SVU". Canoe.ca..
  8. ^ "NBC's Thursday comedies: 'Earl,' '30 Rock,' 'The Office,' 'Scrubs'." Test Pattern. MSNBC 17 July 2007. Web. 02 April 2012.
  9. ^ Topel, Fred. "Bill Lawrence on Scrubs." CanMag 22 August 2007. Web. 02 April 2012.
  10. ^ Datskovsky, Miriam. "Resuscitation: A Q&A with the Creator of Scrubs." The Daily Beast 05 January 2009: 2. Web. 02 April 2012.

Quick pre-GAN comment

Please reference all plot. I believe primary sources are fine for that, but so far much of the plot fails WP:V/WP:CITE. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

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