Talk:Pre-Columbian art/Archive 1

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Why on earth, in an art article, are there no pictures of art? Skaterblo 17:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Because, alas, there are very few public domain pictures of pre-Columbian art and what is available is relatively random. That being said, this article is rather on the slim side, image-wise. Madman 13:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

What material was used to create the colossal heads in the Olmec civilization?`````

Basalt. -Uyvsdi (talk) 07:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Proposed merge with Native American art

The Native American art article is already over 83K - definitely does not need articles merged into it. -Uyvsdi (talk) 06:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

"Native American" has an entirely different implication than "Pre-Columbian." For linguistic reasons, this merge should not occur. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.184.208 (talk) 03:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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Discussion started on Talk:Painting in the Americas before Colonization

I would like to propose renaming the article Painting in the Americas before Colonization to Precolumbian painting of the Americas. -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:58, 10 July 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

We already have this article Pre-Columbian art...Modernist (talk) 20:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Pre-Columbian painting might work...Modernist (talk) 20:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Given both this and Pre-Columbian art are pretty short, and much of the painting is on pottery, sculpture etc, I think they should be merged until they are much longer. Johnbod (talk) 20:37, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm fine with a merge. I can take care of it during the course of the week. Eventually, someday, I'll create Indigenous painting of the Americas. -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:54, 10 July 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Hold your horses "Pre-Columbian" in not a term uses all over the Americans. Why would we use this old term that we have removed from so many other articles. We have been working so long to remove this old term now its back - pls lets not work backwards~~
Okay........ where is Pre-Columbian not used? It's definitely used here in US and definitely used in indigenous art circles, since the arrival of Columbus is probably the most single cataclysmic event to occur in the Americas in the last 10,000 years. -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Yes its widely used in the USA - However its more accurate to say "Pre-colonization" because we have a time range of over 300 years of colonization. Art from the 1850s in norther British Colombia would be "Pre-colonization" and say for the interior of Brazil not colonized till the 1930s. To say Precolumbian might be interpreted as meaning art from before 1400s - The article should be about art before "western contact" that varies greatly in time all over the Americas. The article is just not developed enough as of now and only covers south of the border - but intime we can fix this.Moxy (talk) 23:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Precolumbian art does mean art before 1492 ±100 years. Regarding contact, Inuit people in Newfoundland demonstrably had European contact in the 11th century. Painting in the Americas before Colonization is a trainwreck. I'll leave it be, and hopefully other folks will want to tinker with it. Pre-Columbian art and Colonial art are both well-established art terms; Art before colonization and Pre-colonial art or any other several variations are not commonly used art terms, especially not in regards to the Americas, so this article should keep its name, but should be expanded to a general outline, similar to Visual arts by indigenous peoples of the Americas, since the scope it so enormous. -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi
So you agree with what i am saying - that Precolumbian art does mean art before 1492 ±100 years. So whats the problem? The article should be about art before Europe contact not a set date as in "Precolumbian" when in fact its just pre-colonization art style - before European influence. In the art world its pre-contract styles and post contact styles. Not pre-Columbian and post-Columbian. Mary Louise Elliot Krumrine; Susan C. Scott; Pennsylvania State University. Dept. of Art History (2001). Art and the Native American: perceptions, reality and influences. Penn State Press. pp. 9–. ISBN 9780915773091. Retrieved 28 July 2011. . Moxy (talk) 21:08, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I have no problem with the premise of this article; it just needs to be fleshed out. It's the other article that I think is a disaster, but I'm not going to mess with it. -Uyvsdi (talk) 21:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

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