Talk:National identity cards in the European Economic Area

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Rename to European identity card(s)

Is there any consensus to renaming the article to 'European identity cards' or 'European identity card'? I put forward this idea as now the EU standard is relatively well-established and the corresponding article for Driving licences in the EEA is named 'European driving licence'. To have harmony between the two similar articles. Drumstick21 (talk) 19:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some time ago, someone created a parallel European card page here on Wikipedia. We talked a bit on this kind of stuff (even about the European driving licence) and we decided to close the article and to point to this one, without renaming it. That's because any country gives a different meaning to this card for history and culture (and if you're European you know how different we are) and has its own way to issue it. The 2019 EU directives just suggest the path to a common model, but never mention a European card. In my opinion there's no need to rename, because it could be misleading for a non-European reader. But it's just my opinion, so I'm open to any kind of decision. Kroby36 (talk) 17:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a uniform format for the European driving licence. For the national identity cards there are only some common security features. That's a big difference. Furthermore, "national identity card" is the common name for it, not "European identity card". So no need to move any article. --Nablicus (talk) 17:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update the back side of the german id card, please

Actual back side of the german id card is old. Please update it. You can find it here: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/prado/en/DEU-BO-02004/image-344552.html Catasere (talk) 14:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of Irish passport card

Should Ireland's passport card be included in the overview table? Under the List of national identity card policies by country page it is listed as a non-compulsory ID card, the same as the US passport card. Other countries have different names for their ID documents, such as Portugal which it is referred to as an "Citizen Card". For all intents and purposes it serves an almost identical purpose to other voluntary national identity cards. It can be used both domestically as ID as well as in the EEA/EU as a travel doc.

On the other hand it is specifically excluded under the 2019 EU regulations.

I think it would be a useful addition. It is already included in the table, but without images or other information. Drumstick21 (talk) 23:43, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No way. It is only an "extension" of the passport. No passport booklet = no passport card. It's not just a matter of name like the citizen card in Portugal, that is not linked to Portuguese passport. More generally, Anglo-saxon countries have no id cards. At the beginning of the article and inside the overview table, it is specified the existence of this document that must be considered a passport and that's it. Cheers. Kroby36 (talk) 16:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is probably enough for it to be mentioned in the table with a link to an article. It seems to be a politically sensitive subject in Ireland. Similar to ESTA/ETA/ETIAS, authorities introduce politically sensitive stuff by renaming and redefining them to something else with similar practical function. Since the main idea behind Wikipedia is to give information about stuff, and for the reason of avoiding endless discussions about formalities, as long as it mentioned and information is findable and not wrong, we can have it like this.--BIL (talk) 17:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

True, although as was discussed on the List of national identity card policies by country regarding th US passport card, it is considered a form of an identity card. Is an identity card defined by the prerequisite possesion of a passport booklet? It functions the same as any other ID card: domestic identification and travel. The ICAO defines the Irish passport card as an identity card - the MRZ begins with 'I', assigned to identity cards.

Regardless, I agree that the form it is in now is fine, but I think including its other attributes (price, validity, current v.) is a useful addition. Drumstick21 (talk) 17:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Motorcycles and cars are both vehicles and have the same purpose to move from A to B. Would you include a motorbike in an overview table of cars? Kroby36 (talk) 18:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Irish passport card functions as a national identity card in all but name. In fact, it is not officially classified as a passport according to the EU's document database PRADO. Additionally, unlike a standard passport, it does not permit travel outside the EU/EEA/Switzerland, along with a few other selected countries. Based on its features, it shares many similarities with a national identity card than with an ordinary passprort. By the way, some countries include "democratic republic" in their official names, but that does not necessarily mean they are democracies (in fact, it is often the contrary). Same thing with the Irish passport card I would say, it has passport in its name, but that's where the similarties with a passport ends. --Nablicus (talk) 19:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove/reduce 2006 standards?

I think we should remove or at least considerably reduce the 2006 EU standards section. It was never an enforced EU law, is outdated and not useful in the overall article. I think it should be reduced to e.g. a single paragraph. What is the consensus? Drumstick21 (talk) 22:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]