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This page was proposed for deletion by DrKay (talk · contribs) in the past.
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On 12 August 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Monarchy of Nigeria. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Daurama

This is Racisim - where is Daurama, mother of the seven Hausa kingdoms mentioned, you don't want us to have our own pride for our people — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oziomoluabi (talk • contribs) 03:36, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

She's at Daurama. DrKay (talk) 08:33, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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Requested move 27 October 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: MOVED: After reading the comments I determine that consensus for this article has been established to be about the institution not the person, and therefore the article should be moved. (non-admin closure) Spekkios (talk) 00:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Queen of Nigeria → Monarchy of Nigeria (1960–1963) – This article covers the Nigerian monarchy as an institution that governed Nigeria from 1960 to 1963. So, the article title should reflect that. It is not merely about the title "Queen of Nigeria" itself. It covers the Nigerian monarchy's function, constitutional roles, its history, other aspects etc etc. Also note that an editor (User:Oziomoluabi) in this talk page complains about the inherent racism of using the article title for the modern monarchy instead of the native ruler Daurama. Hence, Monarchy of Nigeria (1960–1963) is currently the best option we have for this page. Also, please don't say that most of the former Commonwealth monarchies are titled "Queen of country", rather then "Monarchy of country", as they are also in a process of improvement. Peter Ormond 💬 05:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Suggested title is clearly not the common name: searches for 'monarchy of nigeria' yield 0 reliable sources. Per Wikipedia:Article titles, article titles should be recognizable, natural and concise. Parenthetical disambiguation should only be used when there is no naturally disambiguated title. DrKay (talk) 05:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Article is about the monarchy, not the Queen. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose, the page is not about a continual monarchy but only about one person, Elizabeth. Have recently gone through this before in a large RM, Talk:Queen of Ghana#Requested move 12 August 2021, which covered many topics. Please consider withdrawing this good faith nom, or maybe ping those participants if this new attempt goes forward. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:44, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. As a second choice, something like Queen of Nigeria (1960–1963) - the date range is fairly important here, this article is not discussing the monarchy during the Colonial Nigeria period nor the protectorate period before that nor traditional rulers before the formation of modern Nigeria. Best to make that clear in the title, I can easily see a reader assuming this article is on the "topic in general" rather than one short time period based on the current title. SnowFire (talk) 15:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral - Either we have all the former monarchy articles that had Elizabeth II as their only monarch, named Monarchy of country or Queen of country. We need consistency across the board here. GoodDay (talk) 15:57, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Article is about the monarchy, not the Queen.Eccekevin (talk) 04:25, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Articles should be titled with a concise common name found in reliable sources. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:43, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - It's time we end this article title schism between these monarchy articles, which had only Elizabeth II as their monarch. GoodDay (talk) 05:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - per nom. 'Queen of Nigeria' sounds like a pop diva. This is about a state institution, not a person. PS - Also just learned that in 1960, the Catholic bishops of Nigeria commended the country to the Virgin Mary as "Mary, Queen of Nigeria" (feast day Oct 1), and there is "Our Lady Queen of Nigeria" cathedral in Abuja. Walrasiad (talk) 06:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Support per nom. --Bduke (talk) 07:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I didn't read the previous votes, but "Queen of Nigeria" is never a thing, and sounds odd.HandsomeBoy (talk) 08:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note

A related RM is taking place at Monarchy of Barbados, about the same topic. GoodDay (talk) 16:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really similar, as this page is only about one individual, Elizabeth, and the other is a title handed down to the next King or Queen. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On November 30, 2021, they'll be the same. Unless, Charles succeeds to the Barbadian throne before it's abolished. GoodDay (talk) 17:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Gotta ask the 'big' question. The Monarchy of Barbados RM has been closed as 'no move'. This here RM will likely be closed as no move. Thus we'll have (beginning Nov 30) two virtually the same articles with drastically different titles. Then there's Monarchy of Fiji, too. WHY can't we come to an agreement for the same title style for all these articles which had 'only' one monarch, Elizabeth II? GoodDay (talk) 05:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Civic education

Role of Queen Elizabeth in Nigeria independence 105.112.182.160 (talk) 05:54, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]