Talk:McGuinn, Clark & Hillman

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Amkgp (talk) 06:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by Kohoutek1138 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:20, 14 August 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Image in article is fair use. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
  • The hook, however, is little more than a statement of fact. It is also a sea of blue links. You have a very nice article here; perhaps you could select an interesting or quirky fact for your hook? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]


@Yoninah: Thanks for the feedback, Yoninah. I have added four alternative DYK hooks for your consideration (the first two are variants of the same fact). Hopefully one of these will be suitable. Kohoutek1138 (talk) 13:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1:... that although the officially stated reason for Gene Clark leaving McGuinn, Clark & Hillman's 1979 world tour was an abscessed tooth, it was really due to his alcohol and cocaine abuse having grown so bad that he was either physically unable to perform or failed to turn up for the band's concerts?
  • ALT2: ... that Gene Clark was forced to leave McGuinn, Clark & Hillman's 1979 world tour due to his alcohol and cocaine abuse having grown so bad that he was either physically unable to perform or failed to turn up for the band's concerts?
  • Thank you for the alts. Please be aware that our length limit is 200 characters, and shorter is always better. I have struck ALT1 and ALT2 for going over the 200-character limit. ALT3 is okay if you think it's hooky enough. ALT4 includes a hook fact (a one-off concert) which does not appear in your article.
  • I was going to suggest this alt, but then I couldn't find it verified in the AllMusic source:
  • ALT5: ... that in 1977, three ex-members of The Byrds formed a rock supergroup partly modeled after Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young? Yoninah (talk) 19:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoninah: I like your suggestion of ALT5 and think we should go with that. I have gone back to the article and corrected the supporting refs; the existing AllMusic one was to support the formation year of 1977, but I'd forgotten to add the Requiem for the Timeless citation to the lede (it was actually used in the main body of the article, in the "Becoming a trio" sub-section, to support this same fact). Thanks for taking the time to help me out with this; hopefully this is OK now? Kohoutek1138 (talk) 00:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you. I'm striking the unused hooks. Since I proposed ALT5 I am unable to approve it. Calling on evrik and Kingsif to complete this review. Yoninah (talk) 09:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pop culture and literary sources for hook facts, cited in article, and interesting. Rest of review per Yoninah's original. Kingsif (talk) 09:39, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Supergroup?

I was around in the 60s, when the term “Supergroup” was coined. The first time I saw it used was in reference to Cream, when Clapton, Bruce & Baker left their former bands to create one. Later Crosby left the Byrds, Stills Buffalo Springfield & Nash the Hollies to form another one. McGuinn, Clark & Hillman were all founding members of the Byrds who reunited after becoming famous as Byrds. Therefore, the term supergroup does not seem apt. (In the same era, “Superstar” was coined, which made a difference between the TOP “A-listers” in their fields & the B-Z listers. Today, many use it for anyone with a minor degree of fame. Like the term “Genius,” misuse makes it useless). 38.133.97.42 (talk) 20:59, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. "Supergroup" seems to mean a group of individuals who had already established themselves in separate bands. Mcguinn, Clark & Hillman were all in the Byrds. It just doesn't seem logical that you subtract two members of the Byrds (Crosby & Clarke) and it becomes a supergroup. 2601:283:8301:820:CC66:7085:7EF6:7019 (talk) 14:03, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I think the key thing here is that the members themselves didn't consider this group to be the Byrds. It was meant to be a new group that wouldn't have to rely on the Byrds name. That's why they named the group with their surnames, in a manner reminiscent of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. Plus, all three musicians had enjoyed solo careers of varying length and success prior to the formation of McGuinn, Clark & Hillman. So, it's not like it's just the Byrds with two less members: there was a period of some years since the three had worked together. But I do take both your points that the term "supergroup" is usually applied to a grouping of musicians who have already established themselves in separate bands. Given that none of the cited inline sources actually use the word "supergroup", I'm gonna remove the term and simply replace it with "group". --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 16:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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