Talk:Marriage in Japan

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No info about marriages

This article is just about the first day of marriage: the wedding. There is no data about marriage rates, divorce rates, average number of children, and other statistics.--Countakeshi (talk) 02:56, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with this statement. Really this article only covers "Japanese Weddings". --8bitW (talk) 16:19, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Added a long section with a few basic statistics, mostly a description of statistical trends in marriage in Japan (namely, fewer babies, fewer marriages, at a later age). It's a little patchy and needs some infographics that I'll add when I can. Best sources for data are the stats bureau (English, easy to use) and E-Stat (Japanese and fairly impenetrable). There is a lot of speculation online about Japanese marriage and especially Japanese sexuality, so good data matters. JonMcDonald (talk) 15:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Western-style weddings"

The picture in the above-mentioned section appears to depict an actual Christian wedding, i.e., not merely a Western-style wedding attended by non-Christians. A quick internet search shows that the church in question, St. Mary's in Kyoto, is an actual Anglican parish. I believe it is misleading to caption this picture as a "Western-style" wedding when it easily could actually be the religious expression of Anglican believers. Moreover, it is at odds with the general description in the article.

I believe it would be more appropriate to find a picture in tune with the section's description, i.e., a non-denominational chapel in a secular setting, rather than an actual religious ceremony performed in a church. --8bitW (talk) 16:25, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused by the use of "Western-style weddings" in this article more generally. The weddings in question appropriate Christian texts, songs, symbols, costumes, and architecture. The marriage officiant dresses up like a priest and reads from the Bible. The ceremony is secular, but that doesn't make "Christian-style" an inappropriate term. It's more specific, and it's used by all the sources. If it's offensive, that's only because the weddings it describes are offensive, too. JonMcDonald (talk) 15:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's definitely a confusing situation, as the weddings are clearly "Christian-inspired", without the participants themselves holding Christian views. It's still difficult to call it a Christian wedding per se, but "Christian-style seems entirely appropriate. 8bitW (talk) 19:59, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Inaccurate information

This article seems to be based only on biased Western materials about Japanese marriage customs. For example, Yomeiri, or wives moving into the households of their husbands, was a practice that did not start in Japan until after interactions with westerners began. (Not necessarily because of western influence, but possibly so.) During the Heian period and Kamakura period, the opposite custom, Mukoiri (or husbands moving in with their wives) was the common practice. A famous example from the Kamakura era would be the founder of Kamakura bakufu, Miyamoto Yorimoto, who joined the family of his wife, Hojo Masako. There is no mention of yomeiri in historic Japanese documents until the Muromachi era, and it did not become official practice until it was promoted by the Tokugawa shogunate for the purpose of dealing with problems of inheritance. In the countryside, even now mukoiri is not uncommon. Online source:https://u-b.jp/knowledge/bridal/yomi-konrei-3.html 14.8.137.225 (talk) 08:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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