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Settlement of Marianas: disputed

The settlement of the Marianas from Luzon is disputed. The idea of sailing directly from Luzon to the Marianas would involve going against the prevailing wind and a strong current. Even a modern sailing yacht would have extreme difficulty making this trip. The idea is argued against in DOI: 10.1017/S0003598X00047992 ^[1], with additional evidence on the archaeological evidence of pottery finds to support a different origin of the first settlement. Unless someone can find an authoritative reference that tackles these arguments, the problem content in the article cannot remain. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 22:01, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Winter, Olaf; Clark, Geoffrey; Anderson, Atholl; Lindahl, Anders (September 2012). "Austronesian sailing to the northern Marianas, a comment on Hung et al. (2011)". Antiquity. 86 (333): 898–910. doi:10.1017/S0003598X00047992.

Crab Claw sail: disputed

The claims of an early date for the origin of the Crab Claw sail is disputed (1500 BC in the article). The arguments of those who support this date, though common, make a number of presumptions for which there is little evidence. These are refuted by the arguments of Atholl Anderson^[1] Among the points raised by Anderson and his supporters are those based on linguistic analysis of terms for more advanced rigging components. "No Oceanic terms for standing rigging are constructed and running stays are not attested linguistically before PCP, *tuku = “running stay supporting mast [or spar]” (Pawley and Pawley 1998: 197)...." (p. 481). Anderson suggests an alternative mechanism for much of the colonisation of the Pacific, with periods of higher frequency of different wind directions (due to El Niño events) coinciding with phases of migration. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 20:46, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Anderson, Atholl (2018). "SEAFARING IN REMOTE OCEANIA Traditionalism and Beyond in Maritime Technology and Migration". In Cochrane, Ethan E; Hunt, Terry L. (eds.). The Oxford handbook of prehistoric Oceania. New York, NY. ISBN 978 0 19 992507 0.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)

[1] Winter, Olaf; Clark, Geoffrey; Anderson, Atholl; Lindahl, Anders (September 2012). "Austronesian sailing to the northern Marianas, a comment on Hung et al. (2011)". Antiquity. 86 (333): 898–910. doi:10.1017/S0003598X00047992.

[Anderson_2018-2] Anderson, Atholl (2018). "SEAFARING IN REMOTE OCEANIA Traditionalism and Beyond in Maritime Technology and Migration". In Cochrane, Ethan E; Hunt, Terry L. (eds.). The Oxford handbook of prehistoric Oceania. New York, NY. ISBN 978 0 19 992507 0.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)

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