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Did you know... that Margarita Ortega left her husband to fight in the Mexican Revolution?

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Reviewer: The Blue Rider (talk · contribs) 23:29, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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General

@Grnrchst: just to let you know that I will be reviewing this article withing the next few days. I aware that you are undergoing a FA review, so take your time if needed! The Blue Rider 00:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Remove «relatively».

Removed. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why she joined PLM isn't in the body of the article.

Rewritten. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add a wikilink to Magonista.

Added. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add a wiklink to eulogised.

Added. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Biography

Is it known which city/town/village she was born? Edit: I see that source #1 says it isn't.

Aye at best you get differing speculations, but none of them seem more accurate than just saying "Sonora".

Decapitalize and put in italics «mestizo».

Done. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is Pascual Gortari the 1st, 2nd or 3rd husband?

I'm not sure, none of the sources say. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How old was Rosaura when she joined the PLM? Or alternatively, add the year she was born in the 1st paragraph.

Not sure, none of the sources say. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

«left her more conservative husband», by husband I assume you mean Pascual (?).

Sources just say her "husband", one even says "boyfriend". :/ --Grnrchst (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add a wikilink to party line (politics).

Done. --12:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

How did women played a «a spectacular part in the revolution»?
Did they manage to overthrow the goverment of Baja California? Likewise for the capture of Mexicali.

There was no "government of Baja California", because it was just a territory at the time. It wasn't admitted as a state, with its own government, until 1952. It's more like the Magonistas captured parts of Baja California during the power vacuum created by the revolution - they captured it from the Porfiriato but it later came under the control of the Maderistas then the Huertistas. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add a wikilink to Mexicali.

Done. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Ricardo Magón and how does he know she said that to her husband and that she died with a smile on her face??

Magón was the leader of the PLM. And I don't think he did, these were dramatisations he wrote into his eulogy. He was a playwright, after all. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per some rule of Wikipedia, the quotation needs to have the original text, founded at Espino Becerril 2015, above the translation.

Which quote, sorry? --Grnrchst (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The big one, «I love you but...».

@The Blue Rider: This quote is also in English language sources and in the English translation of Flores Magón's article (see Further reading). Do I still need to include the original text? --Grnrchst (talk) 12:30, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, found the policy, MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE. It says "If the original, untranslated text is available, provide a reference for it or include it, as appropriate." So in this case, I think its fine. The Blue Rider 12:46, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy

A tad overquoting in this section, no? If possible, rephrase.

Probably, but I wasn't sure how else to write it at the time. I'll have a look at rewriting. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@The Blue Rider: Rewritten. --Grnrchst (talk) 12:38, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, everything looks fine. Will be passing the article. The Blue Rider 12:46, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add a wikilink to eulogy.

Added. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Benjamin H. Abbott? Perhaps put ~~his~~ their profession.

Clarified. Having looked into them, I just realised I was using the wrong pronoun, so I corrected that too. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 19:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the death of Margarita Ortega convinced Ricardo Flores Magón to encourage women's participation in the Mexican Revolution? Source: Lozoya 2023, p. 5
- ALT1: ... that Margarita Ortega left her husband in order to fight in the Mexican Revolution? Source: Abbott 2018, pp. 24–25
- ALT2: ... that following the capture of Mexicali by Magonist rebels, Margarita Ortega smuggled weapons and explosives into the city in the lining of her clothes? Source: Cockcroft 2010, pp. 21–22
- ALT3: ... that after the defeat of the Magonista rebellion of 1911, Margarita Ortega told her arresting officer that he would be shot from behind, "as a coward"? Source: Abbott 2018, pp. 23–24
- ALT4: ... that according to Ricardo Flores Magón, when the Mexican revolutionary Margarita Ortega was executed, she died with a smile on her face? Source: Espino Becerril 2015, p. 154
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lea Ackermann

Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Self-nominated at 16:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Margarita Ortega (magonist); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Reviewing this. Congrats on the GA! I personally like ALT1 the best, since it's the shortest and presumes the least prior historical knowledge. The Abbott source checks out. Obviously the article hits the length and quality requirements, and the QPQ checks out as well. Thank you for introducing me to this fascinating figure! - Generalissima (talk) 01:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]