Talk:Margaret of Burgundy, Queen of France

Death

Can we be sure she died of a cold instead of being strangled? PatGallacher (talk) 21:51, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

No. The circumstances of Margaret of Burgundy's death seem unclear. 19th-century sources generally report she was strangled to death. So says, for example, this book on the history of French royalty.

Bradbury's more recent history of the Capetians says she was put in a high and windy tower without adequate clothing, catching a cold and dying thereof.

Yet other sources say she was put not in a high, windy tower but a "dark, damp dungeon" or that she was "virtually starved to death".

The Louis X of France article currently gives both the "strangled" and the "died of a cold" accounts. The Tour de Nesle Affair article follows the "underground cell" account and says she "died under suspicious circumstances, possibly murdered". By sheer number of sources, "strangled" wins the day, but most of those are very old. I could not find a trend among the more recent scholarship, nor could I find a source explicitly dismissing one of the competing theories. Huon (talk) 13:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Considering of all the "sources" you listed, only Bradbury is an academic.

Alison Weir is a writer historical novels(not an historian), David Williamson has a BA in Engineering, and Annie Forbes Bush is terribly outdated(1847). Thus all of these three do not meet Wikipedia's standard for reliable sources

Capetian France 987-1328, by Elizabeth Hallam and Judith Everard, states Margaret died in prison.

The Capetian Kings of France, Monarchy and Nation, 987-1328, Robert Fawtier, page 53, "Margaret died in prison." --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:48, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

How about Encyclopaedia Britannica then? Besides, I think Goodreads (and Google) gives a biography of the wrong David Williamson. Amazon says "David Williamson is co-editor of Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage and is also the author of Debrett's Kings and Queens of England. He is a fellow of the Society of Antiquaries of London and a Fellow of the Society of Genealogists." That seems more relevant than an Australian poet; I do not see why his book should not be considered reliable. Huon (talk) 02:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

David Williamson. No academic background or academic published work.

Why use Britannica when we have published academic sources?

Judith Everard

Elizabeth Hallam.[1]

Jim Bradbury

Robert Fawtier

As for "Australian poet", I have no idea what you are talking about.--Kansas Bear (talk) 03:19, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Princess of Burgundy

"Margaret was a princess of the ducal House of Burgundy"

What does this mean? I can't confirm it because I lack the access to An Annotated Index of Medieval Women But it seems very strange since when being a part of a ducal house made one a princess? Her parents and siblings aren't referred to as princes/princess, so why would she? Perhaps the source ascribes her as a princess in poetic manner? Go-Chlodio (talk) 08:17, 31 May 2019 (UTC)