Talk:Local government in Canada

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Clarification needed

The article does not clearly explain that in Canada, both county and city jurisdictions are defined as municipalities; the third level of our 3-tier government system, and who are equals in government hierarchy in addition to Canadian provincial and federal governments. This differs from the popular misconception that cities are under the jurisdiction of counties as is better known as the 4-tier government system, which exists in much of the United States. Landroo (talk) 23:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
To merge Municipal government in Canada into Local government in Canada, the former being a subset of the latter, and with the short text meaning that a split of content isn't warranted; overlap. Klbrain (talk) 16:11, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to merge Municipal government in Canada into this article. I think that the content of the municipal article can easily be explained in the context of local government, and both articles are essentially stubs. WildComet (talk) 07:01, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A single reply opposed this on Talk:Municipal government in Canada back in 2009, but this article doesn't really address any of the concerns and they are easily solved by just adding those on as an additional section. WildComet (talk) 07:24, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the other article is larger and constitutionally defined. "Local government" could do for county governments, townships, parishes, cantons, burroughs, etc, which are not constitutionally defined. Thus, if this were to merge, it would merge the other way, as the constitutionally defined creature is the municipal level government, and not "local" form per se. As loose as local government is, one could suppose that the HOA or condo board is a local government, clearly not a municipal-level authority. The 2009 objection also makes a good point, school boards are a form of government, but not municipal, that are local, and are also constitutionally guaranteed in some provinces, for religious divisions. -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 10:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@67.70.27.246: - so just to clarify, county governments, townships, parishes, cantons and boroughs are all municipal governments. A municipal government is a form of local government, which is why I proposed the merge. I don't think it makes sense to have two pages for the same subject. Thanks, WildComet (talk) 20:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as school boards, health authorities, First Nations, etc. are not municipal governments. In my opinion this article is wrong about "Indian bands". First Nation governments (bands) are local governments presiding over their membership. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 18:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Hwy43:, I'm not sure you understand what I'm suggesting. You are correct that "school boards, health authorities, First Nations, etc. are not municipal governments", this is why I'm NOT proposing we merge local governments into the municipal governments article, but vice versa, move municipal governments - which are a form of local government - into the local government article. Thanks, WildComet (talk) 20:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My bad. I misinterpreted the proposed merge going the opposite direction. Revised position below.
  • Soft oppose: while municipalities, school boards, health authorities, First Nations, etc. are all technically "local government", the term "local government" is often interpreted, albeit erroneously, to be precisely synonymous to "municipal government". I think this article is appropriate on its own to debunk the erroneousness by conveying that "local government" is both "municipal government" and "other types of local governments". Municipal government in Canada effectively services as a more detailed child article of Local government in Canada and merging the two would make the resulting article unwieldly. I feel there is no harm in keeping the two articles separate, and improving both articles as needed to better relate and link to each other. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 05:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Municipal government is a subset of local government, and it's not clear why these should be separate, especially with this one being so short. Reywas92Talk 20:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support: A textbook case of duplication. A combined article will need to significantly expand content on non-municipal government bodies. DMBanks1 (talk) 21:11, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soft oppose I don't care if we lump or split, I care that readers understand that school boards and other non-municipalities are a kind of local government. Someone just tell how a merger will better accomplish that, and I'd be willing to change my mind. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 20:26, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support: In the jurisdictions that have publicly elected school boards in Canada, school board elections (which fall under local governments) are held concurrently with municipal elections. Other local elections (e.g. park boards) are often elected at this time as well. The two are sufficiently intertwined that they should be talked about together. It makes sense to have a single article on local government describe all forms of local government in a single article. Of course, municipal government will dominate the article, but that is perfectly fine. Veritas0000 (talk) 16:56, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

To do list

Suggestions:

  • Update data
  • Remove quote from Australia
  • Add See also with links to forms of local governments in Canada
  • Add section for each type of local government and their responsibilities, electoral system
  • Add particularities by province 137.186.18.187 (talk) 14:41, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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