Talk:List of islands of Ireland

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Northern Ireland

Out of interest, why have most of the islands in Northern Ireland been removed from this article? Ben W Bell 10:40, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

By "most of the islands in Northern Ireland", I presume you mean the islands in Lough Erne. I had removed those because I feel this page should be more or less an index for other pages or potential pages. Tiny lake islands that will probably never have articles of their own should only be mentioned in the Lough Erne page rather than cluttering up the main page; it gives a false sense of their importance to list them here. I won't start an edit war: what do others think? Joestynes 01:15, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I feel, just me personally, that since the article is List of Islands of Ireland, it should be comprehensive whether some of them have their own pages or not. I do like the reorganisation of the page, that is good it needed it, but I think the list should be comprehensive from the title otherwise it's misleeding. Just my view, others may differ. Ben W Bell 14:26, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Waterford

Little Island on the River Suir is not on this list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.109.7 (talk) 09:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rework

I've added a column to the table and merged the large and small islands tables; I don't see the value in separating them. It should be possible to get the areas and heights, at least of the smaller islands, from the OSI historical layer; the old 6-inch and 25-inch maps have area in acres roods and perches. I think for larger islands this might amount to WP:OR.

I want to reorder the main table as it used to be, directionally and by group. The table sortability doesn't facilitate that, whereas it does allow alphabetical sorting by name, so having the latter as the default doesn't add any value. The pending reorderng is also the reason I didn't bothered collating the rows of the two tables when I merged them :) jnestorius(talk) 20:27, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the height of Rathlin (in metres) as it appears on the 1:50K map. I don't see a problem here with WP:OR cheers Geopersona (talk) 18:55, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a few more heights to the table, fixed some tabulation errors and differentiated a couple of island groups into individual islands. Geopersona (talk) 06:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

British Isles template

A editor has raised the question of removing the ability to pipe link the title of the British Isles template. Currently, on this page, it pipe links as [[British Isles|Great Britain, Ireland and the Isle of Man]]. The editor would like this ability to be removed.

Discussion is taking place here. --RA (talk) 08:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cannon Rock

Cannon Rock is depicted on the 1:50,000 scale OSNI map of the area (sheet 21 'Strangford Lough') at grid ref J684536 and does indeed appear to be, as its article says, the easternmost of all of the island of Ireland's rocks. Its depiction on the map does however suggest that, in common with countless other skerries, it is submerged at high tide. The introductory text to the list of islands might include wording on the inclusion such features. Most skerries would not feature in such a list but this one is notable IMO. cheers Geopersona (talk) 06:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Like all List pages, this one should specify its criteria for inclusion. Possible criteria:

  • Islands that are populated, or have ever been populated
    • I'm not sure what criteria the CSO table uses. Obviously it excludes NI; it also excludes lots of islands listed as inhabited in 1841 by the 1850 Poor Law Commissioners reports. Maybe the CSO only lists islands inhabited in a post-1922 census.
    • In any case, islands with older archeological remains, e.g. hermit cells, should be included
  • Islands that are above a certain area (1 sq km? 10 ha? 1 ha?)
  • Islands that are part of a nature reserve or similarly designated area
  • Islands that have or ever had a lighthouse (I guess all were once inhabited; what about extending to lightbuoys: this would add more rocks to the list).
  • What about former islands; some are already there because they are listed by the CSO, which excludes islands like Great Island that have long-established land connections, but not others like Achill or Bull Island with more recent bridges. I left in Fota Island but didn't add Little Island. What about e.g. Howth, Islandmagee? I suggest a cutoff limiting to places that were islands in the historic period. Finding an exact area measurement for former islands may be hard.
  • For extreme points, ROI's marine claim baselines provides a list but excluding NI. Met Éireann's sea area forecast includes headlands, some on islands.

There's also the question of how to list groups of small islands: combined or separately. jnestorius(talk) 14:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Country Category

It would be helpful to have a category for the country. List of islands of the United Kingdom provides its islands of Ireland, however looking for islands of the Republic of Ireland is not covered anywhere I think. Regards, Rob (talk) 11:33, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Title

The title of the article doesn't really make sense. Islands can't be 'of' another island, unless they are within it. You could say, islands of France, since there are islands that are part of France, but the only islands that are part of Ireland are those within its lakes. I'd recommend moving this article to List of islands off the coast of Ireland, List of islands surrounding Ireland, or List of islands of the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Regards, Rob (talk | contribs) 00:38, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say coast, I would say shore. Coast would only be those in the sea, shore would include those in interior lakes. I probably favour the RoI and NI, or separating it into two articles. Most of these types of articles are done per the country/state, not per landmass. Canterbury Tail talk 02:00, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well I've redirected List of islands of Northern Ireland to List of islands of the United Kingdom#Northern Ireland, since there's a list there, and not here. An article could be created listing the islands of the Republic of Ireland, and this deleted, however I doubt that would be popular among many Irish nationalists. Since there is List of inland islands of Ireland, and this article doesn't currently include inland islands, this could be moved to List of islands off the coast of Ireland. Alternatively, we could merge this article with List of inland islands of Ireland, and move the article to either List of islands of the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, List of islands off the coast of and within Ireland, or List of islands within Ireland's shores. Rob (talk | contribs) 13:27, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why should we split an article that is in essence correct? You could change the name to List of islands geographically belonging to the island of Ireland but that is a rather silly name. But this list describes several types of islands: inland in lakes and rivers, "outside" in the ocean, and a bit in between in estuaries and bays. The Banner talk 15:39, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why should we split the article? According the hatnote, it's already split; right? 'geographically belonging to the island of Ireland' is no better then 'of Ireland'. Estuaries and bays are partially enclosed coastal bodies, hence 'off the coast of Ireland'. All that is not included is lakes and rives, and these are the only islands that are 'of Ireland'. I don't really see how islands off Ireland's coast are 'of Ireland'. Is Ireland 'of Great Britain'? It's similarly off its coast. And what about Rathlin Island? Is it 'of Ireland' and 'of Great Britain'? Can you see how this wording is a little problematic? Rob (talk | contribs) 01:56, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The above is two years old, but in case anybody still cares, I have added 2 arguments below in favour of the current name "List of islands of Ireland". jnestorius(talk) 14:59, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Argument 1

Let's distinguish the following components...:

  • RM -- the mainland of the Republic of Ireland
  • RO -- the offshore islands of the Republic of Ireland
  • NM -- the mainland of Northern Ireland
  • NO -- the offshore islands of Northern Ireland

...and the following combinations...:

  1. RM + RO -- the Republic of Ireland
  2. RM + NM -- the mainland of Ireland
  3. RM + RO + NM + NO -- the whole of Ireland, all-Ireland

I think @Rob984: is assuming that the label "Ireland" may denote #1 or #2 but not #3. I do not agree; in fact, I believe #3 is far more likely to be the intended meaning than #2 of any randomly-encountered use of the word "Ireland". From the Anglo-Saxons to 1922, "Ireland" by default would mean #3; if you needed to exclude offshore islands you would have to specify "mainland" or the like. The 1922 partition did not abolish #3 as a concept, just its existence as a political unit. The 1937 constitution muddied the waters by adding meaning #1 to the mix, and the 1998 changes didn't unmuddy them. The phrase "island of Ireland" has come into use since 1998 for #3 to distinguish it from #1; a literal interpretation of "island of Ireland" would favour #2 over #3 as the meaning, but that is not in fact what it means in practice (compare the literal and usual interpretations of "British Isles"). There is a general disagreement on Wikipedia article names about whether to give priority to meaning #1 or meaning #3 of "Ireland" (see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ireland article names), but AFAIK nobody has argued in favour of meaning #2. jnestorius(talk) 14:59, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Argument 2

There are four post-1960 books known to Worldcat named "islands of Ireland" or similar, and all deal with sea islands rather than inland islands. jnestorius(talk) 14:59, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Coord

Nice job on article. for the coord templates, "|name=Island name" needs to be in every coordinate for it to show up on the GeoGroup map.

-- Talk to G Moore 13:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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