Talk:List of Germanic deities

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Æ

Actually the letter Æ is the third last letter in the Danish and Norwegian alphabet (after Z). But in this article, the god Ægir is the first god mentioned. I think he should be the last one.

since Æ is only a symbol in the english alphabet, it is first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.62.237.105 (talk) 04:46, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

English Wikipedia

Since this is the English language Wikipedia, shouldn't the names be the English ones and not the Old Norse? The names are difficult to decipher, making this page less useful than it could be as a reference work. Jwolfe 07:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC) —Agreed, I honestly can't figure out what most of these names are. English equivalents would be nice with the originals in parentheses or something. —This is all phonetic script. I could still work on it, but you could do it yourself.[reply]

These are Old Norse gods, they have Old Norse names and that can't be helped. Presumably by "English equivalents" you mean some sort of Anglicized spelling. Providing such forms is certainly on the table. Could you state which specific names you are having difficulties deciphering and what you mean by "deciphering"? Haukur 23:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The page is the "Germanic" gods not Old Norse, so the Anglo-Saxon variants may be closer to the English we are now speaking.... I do however note that Odin translated as "Frenzy" should be more "Frenzy lord" due to the "-inn" element, however the translation there does not suffice in my opinion, as "possessed", "mad" & "inspired" are all common translations... why not "rapture"? OK I know this may be OR, but "lord of rapture" seems to be the best most literal translation of "wout-an". Also "Tyr/Tiwaz" shouldn't be translated as "God", sky father or sky god may be closer, possibly, due to the etymology of the cognate, as "Divinity" may be the closest, as Tiwaz is related to the word day, or open sky, and so is divinity as well as meaning god. The word god itself is likely, if not a direct etymology, then an influence, to Odin/Woden anyhow so it is all misleading. 4.242.174.19 (talk) 09:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Old English cognates are provided where they exist. As for the etymologies, they're all well referenced from solid sources. If you have some more etymologies (with references) you'd like to add, you are welcome to put them alongside the others. :bloodofox: (talk) 15:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Germanic deities

I've been working on what will become a list of Germanic deities here: User:Bloodofox/List of Germanic deities. I'll go ahead and start working on the "gods" section and then replace what we have here with it. The Prose Edda lists are definitely good to have here too, and I'll reference and bring them in with the rewrite too. :bloodofox: (talk) 10:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It will nice to have some pics. --Redtigerxyz Talk 06:08, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I feel the same way, and I am looking into how to properly do that now. :bloodofox: (talk) 13:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was little confused when I could not detect the famous deities like Thor and Odin. Then i found Thor was linked by Þórr. Spellings like Odin and Thor need to put in the list, with Germanic spellings.--Redtigerxyz Talk 15:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take care of that now. :bloodofox: (talk) 15:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Two additional suggestions for the godesses list: Nehallenia and Hludana. I haven't got source material at hand, otherwise I would have added them. Also, is there an interest in (modern?) Dutch versions of gods names (where available)?Radishjack (talk) 15:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are a long list of Matres and Matrones that should be mentioned here and in a distinct section. I'd include Nehallenia and Hludana in this section. There are competing theories about whether or not Nehallenia is a truly Germanic goddess, for example, and the same goes for a number of the Matres and Matrones. I don't think the modern Dutch versions of the name are necessary; the original forms are usually all that we need unless we have a very dominant modern anglicization, like "Thor" or "Odin." :bloodofox: (talk) 18:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Only attested

Assuming we only list attested deities, not lingustic constructs and disputed cases, I undid two revisions by an IP who added Hama and Forseta. We don't know anything certain about these, right? –Holt (T•C) 14:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can list possibilities here, like the ones you've mentioned above, but they need to be noted as exactly that; possibilities. :bloodofox: (talk) 18:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bad Harzburg

"...According to legend Charlemagne had a chapel built on the Burgberg mountain (482m/1,581ft) about 780 in the place of a Saxon sacred grove dedicated to the pagan god Krodo" ... "Krodo"? 4.242.174.19 (talk) 09:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, we could definitely use an article on Krodo. Krodo is currently unmentioned here. :bloodofox: (talk) 03:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I once spent an afternoon digging up information on Krodo only to find out he's probably a total (though perhaps pious?) fabrication. Needless to say, I was bummed. That didn't stop people from casting a statue of him in the not-so-distant past, mind you. To the IP-user: If you're interested, try starting by looking him up in Grimm's Teutonic Mythology, and follow the trail of breadcrumbs... --Aryaman (talk) 01:43, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I came to a similar conclusion. There are some other interesting deities (?) to dig into on the same wavelength, such as Horsel and Béél. The most recent source I've seen mentioning either deity is Pennick's History of Pagan Europe, and sometimes it plays loose with the facts. On the other hand, it's also pretty solid in most areas. Grimm likely has something on both figures...:bloodofox: (talk) 19:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Óðr?

He is actually the god of extended absences? I check his wikipedia page and there is no mention of that? -173.71.5.173 (talk) 15:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's just a characteristic of Óðr—he is attested as gone for extended periods, during which time Freyja weeps for him. The "associations" section has since been removed to avoid this sort of confusion. :bloodofox: (talk) 21:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heroes?

What is the basis for having heroes listed together with deities? We have at least 2 categories on heroes (Heroes in Norse myths and legends and the broader People in Norse mythology and legends which includes it). Germanic paganism does not create gods out of heroes (although some scholars have argued such in the specific exceptional cases of Baldr and Bragi). I think I am going to be bold and create a separate list article, at the title Germanic like this article rather than the more limited Norse (for one, Sigurð is both Norse and continental German and probably originally the former). Yngvadottir (talk) 19:56, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reasoning behind putting them together is that Germanic heroes often seem to have an amount of godblood and sometimes they do seem to have half a foot into godhood (the mystery of Svipdagr being an example, valkyries as lovers, and so on). It is, however, fine by me to split them up, especially if it means someone putting in some time to fill out the "heroes" list... :) :bloodofox: (talk) 21:35, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, it's got shoved to tomorrow but I'll make a start on that tomorrow, populating it with people from that category, and then move this article to just List of Germanic deities and make a See also. The category is pretty large, even excluding the entries that won't belong in the list, such as Kjárr and Origins for Beowulf and Hrólf Kraki. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:32, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lóðurr

in the faroese language, which is a part of the norse languages, "lóðir" means "Laws". just felt like sharing this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.62.237.105 (talk) 04:49, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Move

Why was this moved? No reason given. --Yngvadottir (talk) 12:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also like to know this. Whatever the reason for the move, the new title is inappropriate and it needs to be moved back. :bloodofox: (talk) 13:14, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To be specific: there are numerous mythological figures who are not deities and therefore not in this list (Ymir and indeed all the jǫtnar and Auðumbla come immediately to mind. Norse mythology is replete with minor characters. So the title to which it has been moved has too wide a scope. Conversely, over at Greco-Roman religion (the same editor moved a whole slew of articles to match their names on a template of world mythology of his/her creation), the corresponding list explicitly includes figures who were worshipped but regarding whom there are no myths. So I am inclined to revert this move, but I'd like to hear first what the rationale was. Perhaps some other, broader article belongs in the new template. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:05, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The editor stated at ANI that the move was indeed simply to conform the article (and all the others that were moved to similar titles) to Template:List of mythological figures by region. I have reverted the move and those others where I am familiar enough with the subject matter or the article wording is clear enough to indicate that "mythological figures" is less appropriate than the original title. (At least one article had already been reverted.) But I have left the template alone. It may now be appropriate to discuss that template in one or more wiki-projects and/or boldly edit it or remove it from this article. Thoughts? Yngvadottir (talk) 04:28, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Glúm

Glum and Glúm redirect here, but there is no mention of them in this page. Early history of Glúm [1] has "In Norse mythology, Glúm was one of Frigg's attendants", but it was replaced with a redirect after a few days requesting citations/verification. If there's no info, I think the two redirects should be deleted; if there is, there should be a mention on this page to justify the redirect. (Is there any connection to Víga-Glúms saga)?

(Disclaimer: I know nothing about this subject, was just looking for inspiration for a crossword clue.) Hv (talk) 09:03, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like it just needs to be deleted. :bloodofox: (talk) 14:42, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Holler...the God of Death, and Destruction in Norse Mythology?

I came across various sources on the net that mentions this obscure God, but there is not much to say on him. I'm wondering if anyone in the academic field can figure this mystery god out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.11.51.217 (talk) 10:39, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Disregard—it's nonsense. :bloodofox: (talk) 14:41, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Link to Toni goes to a name, not a god

See title DemonDays64 (talk) 03:11, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for bringing attention to that. A single-purpose account added it last month. I have removed it. Hrodvarsson (talk) 04:00, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Geirrendour" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Brono" listed at Redirects for discussion

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