Talk:Lion Attacking a Dromedary

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 09:18, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

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"Lion Attacking a Dromedary"

• ... that the Carnegie Museum of Natural History purchased Lion Attacking a Dromedary (pictured) in 1898 for $50? Source: "The museum had plans to discard it before selling it to Carnegie Museums in 1898 for $50." https://carnegiemuseums.org/magazine-archive/2016/winter/article-596.html
  • ALT1: ... that the male depicted in Lion Attacking a Dromedary (pictured) is a pastiche of five North African cultures? Source: "The male figure, the so-called ‘Arab’ who is riding on the dromedary, is also somewhat imaginary. We’ve looked at his costume, and it is derived from five different North African cultures." https://triblive.com/aande/museums/carnegie-museum-hiding-famous-lion-attacking-a-dromedary-diorama-from-view/?fbclid=IwAR2GBFoQ7t-ELSgGX1rwt_WPaUCRJ5KvFKxZPiw7zGBXR6LdMVY8Qszprt8
  • ALT2: ... that "Lion Attacking a Dromedary" (pictured) was removed from display by the Carnegie Museum of Natural History due to its lack of accuracy? Source: "This diorama is a marvelous work of art, but it’s not an accurate portrayal of much of anything." https://triblive.com/aande/museums/carnegie-museum-hiding-famous-lion-attacking-a-dromedary-diorama-from-view/?fbclid=IwAR2GBFoQ7t-ELSgGX1rwt_WPaUCRJ5KvFKxZPiw7zGBXR6LdMVY8Qszprt8
  • ALT3:... that Lion Attacking a Dromedary (pictured) was removed from display by the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in response to the Black Lives Matter movement?Source: "Stephen Tonsor, the Daniel G. and Carole L. Kamin interim director of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History, said the reason for the diorama being removed from view intersects with recent events and demonstrations related to systematic racism and the police killings of Black people." https://triblive.com/aande/museums/carnegie-museum-hiding-famous-lion-attacking-a-dromedary-diorama-from-view/?fbclid=IwAR2GBFoQ7t-ELSgGX1rwt_WPaUCRJ5KvFKxZPiw7zGBXR6LdMVY8Qszprt8

• QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Santa Fe Freight Building (Fort Worth, Texas)

Created by Guerillero (talk). Self-nominated at 02:16, 20 September 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems:

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article:
• Clear at 100px: - I would prefer excluding the pic since it is not very discernable at 100px (it is a bit difficult to distinguish the subject from the background at that size)

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough and long enough, text OK and seems well-sourced and free of plagiarism (Earwig is at 20% but that's mostly because of proper nouns etc). All hooks are OK and they are cited and interesting (I would prefer ALT1 or ALT3). I took the liberty of correcting a typing error in ALT0 by changing "1989" to "1898". Regarding ALT1, I would suggest changing "male" to "man" since the former could refer to one of the animals rather than the human. QPQ done. I don't like the pic at 100px as stated above, but everything else seems good to go. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 16:20, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this. The source for ALT3 doesn't mention anything about the Black Lives Matter movement, but to demonstrations (which were held by numerous groups). Please fix that fact/source in the article. If this is running without the image, I find it far more hooky that human remains were found inside the plastic diorama. Yoninah (talk) 12:24, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: I see "intersects with recent events and demonstrations related to systematic racism and the police killings of Black people" being a fairly direct statement about the George Floyd protests which are part of the Black Lives Matter Movement --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 01:37, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

• But there are many groups involved in these protests. And the source doesn't mention Black Lives Matter. Yoninah (talk) 01:42, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Would you be okay with saying the George Floyd protests? --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 03:49, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

• @Guerillero: well, if you could provide another source that explicitly links the decision to either Black Lives Matter or the George Floyd protests, then yes. The way it is, the source you're using only credits the decision to protests against police brutality in the United States. Yoninah (talk) 13:42, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

• Nominator has not responded in 2 weeks. I left a last notice at his talk page. Yoninah (talk) 20:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

They edited on the 30th and the day before said they would look at the article, but they have not been heard from since. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:36, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

• @Narutolovehinata5: well, I don't find any of the other alts hooky without the image, and the image is hard to read at thumbnail size. Unless someone else wants to adopt this nomination, we should close it as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 12:29, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

There seems to be some promise with the article title itself, since it sounds pretty unusual. Maybe a hook based on it could work? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 16:01, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm open to any other hook. Yoninah (talk) 16:27, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

• ALT4 ... that the Carnegie Museum of Natural History previously exhibited a diorama titled "Lion Attacking a Dromedary"? (pictured)

Would this be okay? Perhaps it could even work without the image in the quirky slot. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

• It doesn't sound so hooky. How about:
• ALT5: ... that in 2017, the Carnegie Museum of Natural History discovered that its 19th-century diorama Lion Attacking a Dromedary contained a human skull? Yoninah (talk) 00:12, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Sounds fine. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:38, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

• @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks. Could you go ahead and approve it? Yoninah (talk) 00:43, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Okay, ALT5 is cited inline and verified in the source. Rest of the review per Xwejnusgozo. GTG. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Sources to use

• https://www.google.com/books/edition/Shifting_Interfaces/nVfTDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Lion+Attacking+a+Dromedary%22&pg=PA96&printsec=frontcover
• https://caa.confex.com/caa/2023/meetingapp.cgi/Session/11438 Is there a paper to come from this?

-- In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 07:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

There was a series of papers! https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/toc/21516952/2023/66/3 -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 21:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC)