Talk:Lemuria

Merge from Lemuria in popular culture

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The Lemuria in popular culture has a prose section that can be merged to the 'in popular culture', but otherwise it doesn't meet WP:GNG/WP:IPC, as most of that article is a TVTrope WP:NLIST failing list of WP:TRIVIA in the style of 'all media that mentions Lemuria', which is simply not encyclopedic. A lot of similar content has been deleted at AfD, but I think given the prose section, we can rescue something by merging instead of deleting that subarticle. Thoughts? PS. I noticed this merge was proposed 7 years ago (Talk:Lemuria/Archive_1#Proposed_merge_with_Lemuria_in_popular_culture) and rejected back then, but today I'll repeat - if the merge won't happen this subarticle is likely to be deleted. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 18:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

I think it is essential to preserve the content of Lemuria in popular culture as Wikipedia is still the best and most reliable source for this information, much of which is difficult to find elsewhere. I think the best model is to follow that of Atlantis, a much better known "lost continent", for which there is not a separate "Atlantis in popular culture" article, though there is one on Atlantis in comics. The structure of the article on Lemuria should follow the general structure of the one on Atlantis, making it clear what information is history and science and what information is pseudohistory and pseudoscience. Hoopes (talk) 02:40, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Another merge to consider is with the article Mu (mythical lost continent). With the exception of Le Plongeon's 19th century references to Atlantis as the "Land of Mu" (where his mythical Queen Moo lived), Mu and Lemuria are essentially two different names for the same imaginary place. I don't think there is any meaningful justification for separating Mu from Lemuria. The articles Lemuria and Mu (mythical lost continent) should definitely be merged into a single article in order to avoid ongoing confusion. Hoopes (talk) 02:45, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't want to belabor this point, but it makes absolutely NO sense for Lemuria to have three separate articles, Lemuria, Lemuria in popular culture, and Mu (mythical lost continent) for one place when there is only one article for Atlantis (or two, if you include Atlantis in comics), which is a much more widely known and more heavily researched "lost continent". Hoopes (talk) 03:12, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

I'd support the merge of popular culture and primary article. There is little reason to spread the content around when a single stronger article could be made that puts the content in better context for a reader.

No opinion on Mu because I simply don't know enough.Slywriter (talk) 04:03, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoopes Support the merge of popular culture and primary article. I'm concerned that doing that and merging with Mu might make a large confusing article. We'd have to trim Mu a lot. Doug Weller talk 14:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinions! I don't know much about merging articles. Is there a way to do it that preserves the edit history and the Talk page discussions of each? I think Mu could continue as a separate article as long as it's made clearly in both articles how Lemuria and Mu are closely related and refer pretty much to the same thing. Hoopes (talk) 15:40, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hoopes see Wikipedia:Merging. Doug Weller talk 15:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Looking at the comments on the Mu article, it may benefit from being trimmed whether it's merged with Lemuria or not. Hoopes (talk) 15:41, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

I completely agree with you, I think it is important to mention that Mu and Lemuria are the same imaginary place because the different names are important to recognize due to the fact that some articles refer to Lemuria as Mu. I also agree the popular culture article should be merged because the popular culture side of Lemuria is very fascinating and provides different theories. I think there is much that could be added to the popular culture part of Lemuria. (Claireblanck (talk) 17:54, 28 April 2022 (UTC))

• Agree to merge Lemuria in popular culture here, but oppose merging Mu (mythical lost continent). Obviously, the latter has been mostly fantasized to lie in the Pacific ocean, so – even if not real – refers to a different concept. There is a shared strain that crackpots have linked certain Indian myths to imaginary lost land masses either in the Indian or the Pacific Ocean, but that's not sufficient to consider Lemuria (which started as a regular falsifiable scientific hypothesis) and "Mu" (which was rubbish from the very beginning) the same topic. –Austronesier (talk) 19:20, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

  I agree. We can mention the confusion, but they start from different sources. Doug Weller talk 08:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support merge with a heavy dose of clean-up. Doesn't meet the WP:GNG and Wikipedia is WP:NOT a directory of appearances discovered by editors. Jontesta (talk) 00:43, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

• Support merge with popular culture, oppose merge with Mu; they're entirely different myths. (Though it looks like Mu needs a cleanup anyway.) Antimoany (talk) 00:05, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

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