Talk:Larynx/Archive 1

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Loopdidoo

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In most animals, including infant humans, apes, and loopdidoos the larynx is situated very..."

In this context, what is a loopdidoo? My first guess is that it is a bit of subtle vandalism, but I hold out complete judgement in-case someone can tell me it is a name for some kind of animal.

TecBrat 05:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Superior Laryngial Nerve

I'm pretty sure the internal branch (not the external branch) of the superior laryngial nerve provides sensory innervation to the larynx. Also, I've only heard the branches of the superior laryngial nerve called external and internal, which makes more sense than external and inferior.

sjpopo, sjpopo@gmail.com

You will find that the vagus divides to the superior and recurrent laryngeal nerves, and the superior then subdvides into the exterior and internal which supply the vocal muscles.

what is the larynx made out of? soft tissue, bone, cartilage? trying to look through the article quickly, i can't seem to find this out. might be something for the introduction. 128.118.112.162 02:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

LCA

I think that the description of this muscle (lateral cricoarytenoid) may be incorrect pace what the website on the associated page says. The page says that the muscle "adduct[s] and medially rotate[s] the cartilage, pulling the vocal ligaments towards the midline and backwards and so closing off the rima glottidis".

My understanding is that the cricoarytenoid joint consists of an articulation point on the cricoid cartilage that is convex and the point on the arytenoid cartilage is convex. So, the only movement that is possible is either (1) anteroposterior sliding or (2) mediolateral rocking. The rotation movement should be impossible given the shape of the joint.

This means that the description & pic at home.comcast.net/~wnor/lesson11.htm is dubious. – ishwar (speak) 05:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

larynx not part of trachea

I've looked up trachea in a number of dictionaries, including Dorland's Medical, and it is consistently defined as extending from the larynx to the bronchi. While this might be restricted to human anatomy, I don't think so, such that for any animal with a larynx, the trachea starts below it. This might not be fair or logical, IF for animals without a larynx the entire respiratory passageway(s) are called trachea, and the term is meant to apply to same, but you at least can't ignore convention (i.e., it's confusing to include the larynx as part of the trachea here, when everywhere else they, while contiguous, are considered exclusive of each other. Jauntymcd 19:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

It would be weird to consider the larynx part of the trachea because it functions as the divider between the trachea and the everything above it. – ishwar (speak) 15:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

what is the larynx made out of? soft tissue, bone, cartilage? trying to look through the article quickly, i can't seem to find this out. might be something for the introduction. 128.118.112.162 02:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

hyoid

A general gap here is the discussion of the hyoid bone. If you consider the cricoid the base of the larynx, you can consider the point above to be the hyoid bone. The thyroid and cricoid and everything else is roughly suspended from the hyoid. You list the sternothyroid which can lower the larynx by depressing the thyriod, but you can also lower the larynx with the sternohyoid which depresses the hyoid. Even if you want to clearly delineate the hyoid from the larynx (I think this is what anatomists generally do), it makes sense to explain what the larynx is connected to from above and how it can be moved. – ishwar (speak) 15:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Descended Larynx

There is no page for descended larynx, to which I wish to refer with a link, elsewhere. I was wondering if there's a reason for that, or if it just hasn't been made yet. I see no reference to it in this entry, either. Kaz 17:16, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Definitely needs more details/explanation on how the airway mechanics is different in infants and other species. Cesiumfrog (talk) 06:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Larynx component sizes

The article does not (yet) indicate the sizes of the various parts of the larynx in humans and other animals. How much larger is the larynx in an adult male than an adult female or child? How long are the folds? What is the pitch ranges of these larynges and what structures contribute to the pitch ranges and differences? Nutster (talk) 22:12, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Is there any other kind?

"Despite its presence in non-aquatic deer..." Is it really necessary to specify that deer are non-aquatic? this just seems silly and superfluous to me. Rpm2005 (talk) 12:08, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

If Wikipedia implies there are aquatic deer, it must be true! (Joke. I have changed the wording.) Rivertorch (talk) 19:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Cool, thanks Rpm2005 (talk) 08:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Not only mammals have a larynges

The lead of this article is incorrect. Reptiles, amphibians, and birds all have larynges, not just mammals. To specify that mammals do, "and many other vertebrates" is vague, misleading and unencyclopedic. It should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.93.199 (talk) 14:36, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the text was vague, and I changed it to "an organ in the neck of reptiles, amphibians, birds and mammals (including humans)". I think we need a citation that it really appears in all those animals though, I personally is not at all into it. - Anton Nordenfur (talk) 22:21, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Images needed to help explain

Without an image of this decending larynx it is impossible to understand it properly. Please someone add a free image--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 17:52, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Muscles of larynx

I have proposed this merge, between the muscles page and this article, because:

This information is already covered in full on the parent article.
There is no unique anatomical structure called 'muscles of the larynx', except in Gray's Anatomy, so this article would be better displayed where it is useful.
There is no need for the information on musculature to be hidden away on a separate article. This means the information is not presented as it could be, and it is needlessly fragmented.
Additionally, this page is small and it would give more context to have the information displayed in a central location, rather than hidden on a separate article.
If necessary, the article on musculature could be expanded at a later date. LT910001 (talk) 07:29, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Vocal cords

Someone keeps readding text explaining that vocal folds and vocal cords are synonymous. This information is not relevant to this article and merely muddies the flow of the text. 95.145.130.21 (talk) 23:48, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

It seems like useful information. This article has to mention the vocal folds, but "vocal cords" seems to be the common parlance. Would a piped link work, do you think? Just saying "vocal folds" doesn't quite suffice, imo. (Pinging Iztwoz.) Rivertorch^FIRE _WATER 01:04, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Someone keeps removing the ref to vocal cords; is there a real reason for this? An edit has to be helpful or an improvement.--Iztwoz (talk) 06:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, and to their credit, they did open this discussion. I don't find their argument persuasive, but the removal (not a ref ref) isn't terribly damaging. Anyway, no point going head-to-head 3RR with them. I'll be glad to keep an eye and revert if they keep removing without consensus. Rivertorch^FIRE _WATER 07:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes I only saw this posting after my last change...thanks--Iztwoz (talk) 08:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Someone keeps removing the ref to vocal cords; is there a real reason for this? An edit has to be helpful or an improvement - weird how you do not reply to my comment but refer to me in this abstract way, without even attempting to discuss why you think the edit was not an improvement. This does not encourage me to believe that you are acting in good faith. Please explain why the common name for vocal cords is so relevant to the larynx that it must be mentioned in the lead section in a way that disrupts the flow of the text. 95.145.130.21 (talk) 11:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

It's usually best to allow consensus to be reached before making a disputed change. (Check the most influential essay on Wikipedia for best practice in these situations and note that it's "bold-revert-discuss", not "bold-revert-revert-discuss".) Best not to personalize this—I replied to your comment, anyway, and I note that your latest edits are different, containing the piped link I suggested, so I'm cool with it. Rivertorch^FIRE _WATER 15:25, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Lead

We really need to expand the lead of this article. It tells readers next to nothing about what the larynx actually is. --Geolodus (talk) 15:41, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Never mind, it was vandalism. --Geolodus (talk) 15:42, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

ERROR ? transplant is a disorder

In the order of larynx disorders is this: The world's first successful larynx transplant took place in 1999 at the Cleveland Clinic. [2]

My English is not strong enough to evaluate if that belongs there but I gues it does not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jemocri (talk • contribs) 06:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I think a separate subsection on Treatments would be appropriate, under the Clinical section. I am not a clinical expert, so I have no other content to add, but even just moving this bit to a new section would improve the section. As there has been no action on this in a decade, I'm going to make the change. TimothyMills (talk) 21:04, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

I think something on laryngectomy could go here, and perhaps something on the treatment of vocal cord nodules. However, nodules are mentioned in the disorders section, and the linked article includes information on treatments. Is a Treatments section the best solution here, or does it duplicate content too much? TimothyMills (talk) 21:11, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

New Larynx drawing

I just uploaded a vectorized drawing of the larynx anatomy that might be useful for this article https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Larynx.svg

Gerazov (talk) 21:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gerazov! Thank you for creating this graphic. I have replaced the previous .jpg file with your new .svg file, which is a lot clearer and has labels in the correct locations. Bibeyjj (talk) 15:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Laryngeal cavity into Larynx

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was merged. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Confusing to have separate articles; easier and clearer to have this placed in the same article Tom (LT) (talk) 01:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Support --Iztwoz (talk) 07:17, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Support per Tom (LT). Bibeyjj (talk) 16:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

New section proposal

Larynx height plays a significant role in perceived vocal sex. I'd like to add a section to discuss this. Likeanechointheforest (talk) 23:35, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Descent of the larynx barely mentioned?

I think this article is written from a physician's perspective, but I was coming more from an anthropological angle and therefore seeking more information about the descent of the larynx. This link https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-3-319-16999-6_3348-1 might be one source of information worth incorporating, but from an evolutionary perspective, the key question is probably which of the extinct species of the genus homo had descended larynxes. Shanen (talk) 19:57, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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Wrong

There are many wrong 117.208.67.29 (talk) 11:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)