Talk:Keiji Nishioka

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Good articleKeiji Nishioka has been listed as one of the Agriculture, food and drink good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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December 17, 2020Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 17, 2020.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Keiji Nishioka, a Japanese botanist, was the first foreigner to receive the Bhutanese honorific Dasho?
On this day...A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on February 14, 2023.

Things left to do

@TryKid: If you see this, as I know you will, here are some things I'm still not satisfied with. See what you can do about it.

  • I've deliberately not included the date when Nishioka got the Druk Thugsey medal, because some sources say he got it in 1990 while some others say it was given posthumously in 1999 with his wife collecting it.
  • Pictures. I have yet to find a single picture of the man that is clear, copyright-free and is not the cover of a book. Or we'll have to resort to Fair Use again.
  • That's it, really. See what you can do to improve it. Oh, and add the marriage date for Satoko in the infobox (with that underlined "m.", idk how to do it and I need to sleep...)

Regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 17:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI: I came across Dasho after reading two reviews of the book "Dasho Keiji Nishioka: A Japanese who lived for Bhutan", those reviewers give the date of Druk Thugsey as 1999 (posthumously) so the book probably has that date too. So 1999 is probably the correct date but we can't be sure so it's probably best not to include it until we have confirmation. About the pictures, I don't think we're going to get a copyright free picture of Dasho as he died in 1992, free use is probably the only option. I've added the marriage template (that infobox column is now overflowing a bit on my mobile but that probably doesn't matter). Regards, TryKid [dubious – discuss] 19:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the Chorten and the Museum built in his memory are two different things. They may have been built around the same time at the 50th anniversary of Japanese cooperation with Bhutan in 2014, causing the confusion. this Facebook post seemingly refers to them as two different entities. A JICA newsletter confirms that the Chorten is located at National Seed Center which the JICA President visited, while the Museum is located at Agriculture Machinery Center and was inaugurated by the JICA President. TryKid [dubious – discuss] 22:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In this tweet, Tenzing Lamsang, the editor of The Bhutanese, corrects his Facebook post (which gave Druk Thugsey date as 1990) to say that he actually got it posthumously in 1999 and his wife collected it. So, the 1999 date perhaps really is the correct one. Regards, TryKid [dubious – discuss] 10:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, feel free to move it to mainspace whenever you think it's ready. TryKid [dubious – discuss] 11:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:50, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved to mainspace by Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk) and TryKid (talk). Nominated by Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk) at 07:59, 5 October 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Lajmmoore (talk) 11:27, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Gerald Waldo Luis (talk · contribs) 17:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]


As part of handling the Agriculture, food, and drink part of the GA nomination, I will be reviewing this article. Note that my time zone is UTC+7. GeraldWL 17:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Not needed. I've linked it in the infobox. I've deliberately left out linking it in his name, in the style of all articles I've seen for British knights - see Winston Churchill and M. Visvesvaraya. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, appreciate the bolding. I was about to point out articles like David Attenborough. GeraldWL 08:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerald Waldo Luis: As I clean up the prose section by section, could you check the other aspects in GA Review? OR, COPYVIO, RS, image use, stability etc. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 09:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, images are appropriate, article has stable recent history, no ORs, all sources are great, and no copyright violations. I would note, though, that some statements have two citations supporting it-- I suggest relocating to the specific claim(s) it supports if that is appropriate. GeraldWL 11:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Don't think that's needed. I went through those again, in every instance, they only support the line immediately preceding them. So no problem there. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:47, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, in "Awards and titles," the first sentence is supported by three citations. Did a check, and apparently citation 10 is already enough to support the whole sentence, per quote: In 1980, His Majesty the fourth Druk Gyalpo awarded the red-scarf and conferred the title of Dasho to him in recognition of his selfless and dedicated services to the people of Bhutan in the field of agriculture development. Suggest removing 8 and 9. GeraldWL 16:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done, Gerald. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 16:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It was already done. Just look, Kingdom of Bhutan is indeed linked. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. @Gerald Waldo Luis: please proceed. Regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 00:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Early life

Done. Added Japanese Korea instead, as the country was not partitioned into North/South at the time. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 09:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
See below

Life in Bhutan

Changed to the unambiguous term Osaka Prefecture University. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 09:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Don't think that's needed. All of agriculture, Bhutan and Agriculture in Bhutan are already linked in the lead. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 09:07, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zhemgang

Done. Panbang linked, Kheng (the region) doesn't have an article. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 13:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not needed. It's generic forest that's being referenced, not a particular one. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Tweaked that sentence a bit, saying both 'cultivated wetland' and 'paddy field' in a sentence is redundant. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tweaked the sentence. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No wikilinks found, sorry. Not even for Sonamthang. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Both forms are fine. I've left it as it is, as in my experience, I've always seen it as a single word. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Awards and titles

Can't. The page that civilian award links to is ridiculous. Bhutan doesn't have its own page for its awards either. Linked 'civilian' instead. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Death

The term is he was survived by. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/be_survived_by explains it. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, thanks for linking the Wiktionary. All these times reading bios I'm like What? This f***bag is resurrected? GeraldWL 15:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, understandable. You see, the dead guy isn't the one doing the surviving, it's his relatives. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:54, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy and commemoration

Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kinda done. I don't have any formal sources I can add in the article, but from context and from here, zam seems to mean 'bridge'. I've included the translation in the prose. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done, I added it in a new 'See also' section. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, the see also section is kinda vague. The two can be linked right at the body, at "its agricultural sector" and "bilateral relations between Japan and Bhutan" (Life in Bhutan), respectively. Linking at the prose where possible is more space-efficient. GeraldWL 15:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 16:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Done. Gerald Waldo Luis anything else? Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 15:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, in "Life in Bhutan", there's "The Prime Minister (Lyonchhen) of Bhutan." Is Lyonchhen the Bhutanese of Prime Minister? If so, suggest italicizing. If no, suggest contextualizing. GeraldWL 15:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Italicised. Lyonchhen is indeed the word for 'Prime Minister' in Dzongkha, the Bhutanese national language. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 16:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

After all issues above have been addressed, I'll put this up for GA. GeraldWL 14:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, and it has passed. Congrats! I love this article being nominated for GA, because its prose (especially the Death section) is short and dynamic, which shows new editors that as long as notability is qualified and you write it with genuinity, even short articles can be a good one, and can even stand out among larger ones. GeraldWL 16:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gerald, thank you! I'm glad that you seem to have had at least as much fun as I did editing about a relatively obscure Japanese botanist who worked in Bhutan and has been dead 28 years. Short-ish articles definitely need more recognition - they can, with the right kind of work, be like the London Beer Flood article, which is an FA. Cheers and best wishes, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 16:31, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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