Talk:KING-TV

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First videotape?

I felt this was worth mentioning (between McCarthy and the Alaskan earthquake), but don't have a firm enough cite: Jeffreykopp 09:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

KING-TV purchased the first Ampex VR-1000 videotape recorder, and was the first non-O&O station to employ videotape.

http://www.firstglimpsemag.com/Editorial/article.asp?article=articles/2004/e0206/31e06/31e06.asp http://www.tvhistory.tv/VCR%20History.htm

Adding unreferenced entries of former employees to lists containing BLP material

Hello, Please do not add unreferenced names as entries to the list of former employees in articles. Including this type of material in articles does not abide by current consensus and its inclusion is strongly discouraged in our policies and guidelines. The rationales are as follows:

  1. WP:NOT tells us, Wikipedia is "not an indiscriminate collection of information." As that section describes, just because something is true, doesn't necessarily mean the info belongs in Wikipedia.
  2. As per WP:V, we cannot include information in Wikipedia that is not verifiable and sourced.
  3. WP:Source list tells us that lists included within articles (including people's names) are subject to the same need for references as any other information in the article.
  4. Per WP:BLP, we have to be especially careful about including un-sourced info about living persons.

If you look at articles about companies in general, you will not find mention of previous employees, except in those cases where the employee was particularly notable. Even then, the information is not presented just as a list of names, but is incorporated into the text itself (for example, when a company's article talks about the policies a previous CEO had, or when they mention the discovery/invention of a former engineer/researcher). If a preexisting article is already in the encyclopedia for the person you want to add to a list, it's generally regarded as sufficient to support their inclusion in list material in another article. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 17:37, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, WP:LISTPEOPLE also provides a guideline for what does and does not belong in the article as far as names go; this isn't a directory of who works there, it's an encyclopedia article. - Aoidh (talk) 15:30, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning the on-air staff

Apparently there's some confusion about why some of the on-air staff is being removed from the article, despite the reason being linked in the edit-summaries. A list of people has to meet certain criteria, most specifically WP:LISTPEOPLE. The names that don't are removed. Concerning the comment "Please look at the KOMO page to the WCBS page in New York to see most pages list EVERYONE," that other articles haven't been cleaned up yet isn't cause to add to that problem, it's cause to clean up those other articles. WGN-TV, for example, has plenty of names that all meet this criteria, so it's not like this is an impossible, unreasonable standard. Every time this is discussed on a news station article talk page, that article ends up being cleaned up and semi-protected if the additions continue. Why would several different administrators do that if the content shouldn't be removed (and indeed, this article, KING-TV was just semi-protected for that same reason)? There are other articles that have every random employee listed; those need to be cleaned up, not used as justification for adding an inappropriate list of names to other articles. - Aoidh (talk) 17:31, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just to reiterate, the fact that an editor finds the removal of inappropriate material to be irritating and inconsiderate is not cause to add them anyways. Names should not be added to a list of names that do not meet the very basic standards expected of a name listed in an article. That other station articles have this same problem, as explained above, do not give cause to add to the problem by making this article worse. - Aoidh (talk) 21:40, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll jump in here. Wikipedia has these policies in place for a reason. Unsourced and unverifiable material can and will be deleted, especially when it comes to issues such as WP:BLP, WP:NOR et. al. Wikipedia is not a program guide. Adding material back in because it is on another article that way is not a good excuse by any means. ḾỊḼʘɴίcả • Talk • I DX for fun! 21:45, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Response: Aoidh, I am choosing to stop trying to edit and have you improve this page the right way. Hopefully you can fill in the current anchors section, while meeting the list of people guidelines. I would like to see and learn from your recommended examples that you will post in the future. Good luck! Goodday51 (talk) 04:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC) Goodday51 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodday51 (talk • contribs) 04:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Although the revision did not meet the criteria for on-air staff, I am willing to edit the revision to meet guidelines. I might have found a page validating this revision (http://www.king5.com/on-tv/bios), and I would like to know if you could allow the revision with the link. Thank you. --SmartAn01 (talk) 20:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It would require an independent source to meet WP:LISTPEOPLE, the company website isn't an independent source in regards to its employees. - Aoidh (talk) 22:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I may have found an independent source for the on-air staff (https://connect.data.com/directory/company/list/o3X1a1tkDii4FLPw8ttHmA/king-5-tv), but from what I see, it may have a few inconsistencies such as one reporter not working for the station anymore. --SmartAn01 (talk) 20:21, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's essentially a phonebook/directory. That does nothing to show notability in any way per WP:LISTPEOPLE and has zero context or significance shown. We wouldn't add someone to a city's article just because their name can be found in a phonebook verifying that they live there any more than we would add a name to a business article just because there is an employee directory with their name in it. - Aoidh (talk) 21:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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