Talk:Jock Stirrup

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The result of the move request was: page not moved: no concensus after 19 days. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:18, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jock Stirrup → Jock Stirrup, Baron Stirrup.

Oppose - I am opposed to this move on the grounds he is far beeter know for his militray service and not for being a peer also no disambiguation is required. --Lucy-marie (talk) 14:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. WP:NCPEER is quite clear. This chap is no longer wholly or exclusively known by his pre-peerage nomenclature. Kittybrewster ☎ 15:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose in the strongest possible terms for consistency in naming per policy and guidelines like WP:COMMONNAME, WP:TITLE, WP:D and WP:PRECISION that apply to all Wikipedia article titles. The subject is most commonly known by the current title; adding peerage information is additional precision that is completely unnecessary, all good reasons to ignore WP:NCPEER. --Born2cycle (talk) 20:06, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This is not a Crystal Ball and what they are currently known is what we have to take as the current commonly used name. If in the future the individual is known regularly by their ennobled title then that would be grounds to change the article title. To though say, it is expected that the names they are known by will change is not how things work on Wikipeida. --Lucy-marie (talk) 17:38, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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This article was created by User:Greenshed on 5 January 2006 at Jock Stirrup. Sir Jock Stirrup was created Baron Stirrup on 28 January 2011. The article was moved to Jock Stirrup, Baron Stirrup by User:Kittybrewster on 1 February 2011 and moved back the same day by User:Lucy-marie on the grounds that "This was not discussed. Previous discussions have shown NC:PEER based moves are noy uncontroversial." The discussion above failed to generate consensus to move and the article remained at Jock Stirrup. User:Kittybrewster moved the article again to Jock Stirrup, Baron Stirrup on 11 December 2011 and was reverted again the same day by User:Kotniski because "again, this was discussed". On 4 October 2013 User:Greenshed moved the article to Graham Stirrup, Baron Stirrup and then on 21 November 2013 User:Necrothesp moved it to its current title of Jock Stirrup, Baron Stirrup. Opera hat (talk) 09:24, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: all moved except Carver. Feel free to have an RM specifically for him if anyone wants. Jenks24 (talk) 07:28, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]


– These senior officers are primarily notable for their service as chiefs of staff, when they were known as Sir Jock Stirrup, Sir Richard Dannatt, etc., and were created peers on their retirement. The relevant naming convention, WP:NCPEER, says that the usual format of "Name, Peerage title" should not be used for "Peers who are very well known by their personal names and who only received a title after they retired"—except when necessary for disambiguation, as is the case for Michael Boyce, Charles Elworthy, Richard Vincent, etc. There is no disambiguation necessary here. Opera hat (talk) 09:45, 13 December 2015 (UTC) Relisted. bd2412 T 15:12, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support - My interest is in Dannatt, and I see the logic and agree that Dannatt is best known as Sir Richard Dannatt, not as a Baron. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 10:57, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If he's better known as Lord Carver, then surely Lord Carver would be a better title than the current one (cf. Lord Byron)? Opera hat (talk) 10:16, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(Off-topic) We should consider moving Edward Plunkett, 18th Baron of Dunsany to Lord Dunsany.--The Traditionalist (talk) 15:17, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Medals

For a photo of Stirrup wearing the Diamond Jubilee medal see https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/170012/750k-memorial-campaign-fund-soars-after-double-boost/ . Greenshed (talk) 04:16, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that - very helpful. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 20:45, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nickname

Do we have a reference for the origin of his nickname? Presumably a humorous play on the word jockstrap which he acquired in his youth. Or so I and half the country always assumed.Paulturtle (talk) 03:06, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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