Talk:Jiří Hunkes

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 14:24, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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Jiří Hunkes → Jiri Hunkes – Contrary to WP:BLP, WP:AT and WP:EN, this article was moved to a non-English title that is not verified by any English language sources used in the article. Dolovis (talk) 05:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose, the person's name is Jiří Hunkes. Another Quijotean attempt by User:Dolovis to particularize the discussion. - Darwinek (talk) 11:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
  • "Quixotic" is the correct adjectival form. Powers ^T 15:23, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose, the person's name is Jiří Hunkes [1], the version omitting diacritics is a result of imperfect editorial board/tool of major English sports websites. Wikipedia should provide correct information to its readers. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 11:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
  • No, it's the result of transliteration into English. The source you list is in Czech, which is hardly a guide to how articles should be titled in English. Powers ^T 15:23, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:HOCKEY compromise and non-existant guidelines on diacritics in personal names, whether in WP:AT or WP:UE. HandsomeFella (talk) 11:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose per all the reason I have given in the last 50 requests by Dolovis. Its really getting tiring having to oppose all these pointy move requests. -DJSasso (talk) 12:00, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose: Procedural oppose for me per all the reasons I have ever given on this issue. I'm not exactly sure what kind of success rate Dolovis thinks he's going to have by initiating all of these discussions (I can safely assume every RM he will initiate will at most end in no consensus), other than wasting everyone's time that is. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 13:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
• Comment - A quick Google search confirms that Jiri Hunkes is the commonly used name per WP:COMMONNAME:

  Jiří Hunkes = about 34,600 hits[2]

  Jiri Hunkes = about 1,020,000 hits[3] Dolovis (talk) 13:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  WP:DIACRITICS specifically warns against using google totals when trying to prove your case about use/non-use of them because its not at all accurate. -DJSasso (talk) 14:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  I followed the method as laid out at WP:COMMONNAME. Dolovis (talk) 15:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  No actually you didn't which is why diacritics specifically mentions not using google search numbers. Because google search numbers are not all reliable sources as commonname says you need to use and because of OCR errors google search results often list characters with them as not having them etc. -DJSasso (talk) 15:03, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  No, actually I did. WP:DIACRITICS warns that “Search engines are problematic unless their verdict is overwhelming”, and in this case the number of hits does demonstrate an overwhelming verdict. Dolovis (talk) 18:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

  But you are not searching correctly, which is what makes using Google so iffy. You are searching Jiri Hunkes without quotations, which means Google is searching for pages containing Jiri and Hunkes, not just those two words side by side. If you do a correct name search (I've simply added quotations to both links you provided), Jiri Hunkes yields 3,290 results while Jiří Hunkes yields the exact same number of results. Now, please explain to me how that is an overwhelming difference? Do you see the problem with using Google now? – Nurmsook! ^talk... 19:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Support as this is the English Wikipedia. GoodDay (talk) 19:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
• Support as we are not trying to teach Cyrillic, etc., on Wikipedia. --Bermicourt (talk) 21:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

  Learn about Cyrillic here. HandsomeFella (talk) 17:06, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

  Learn about etc here and about the Czech alphabet and its important relationship to Cyrillic here. --Bermicourt (talk) 18:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose for several reasons: Accuracy (as the proposed title is arguably a grammatical error or misspelling), consistency (as per standard practice with personal names in this language), the recommendations of style guides, the practice in other English-language encyclopedias such as Britannica, harmlessness (as the diacriticless spelling is deducible from the proper name, but not vice versa), pronunciation guidance, informativeness (as our primary purpose as an encyclopedia is to educate the readers by providing accurate, complete and trustworthy information) and respect (as people usually want their name spelled right and knowingly misspelling a living person's name is both unencyclopedic and unethical). Prolog (talk) 20:51, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose, as per User:Prolog above. Borsoka (talk) 18:13, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. This person is primarily known only in Europe, at the moment...
  — V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 21:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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