Talk:Jessica Krug

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Academic notability

  1. nytimes[1] - ". . Jessica A. Krug is the name of an associate professor of history at George Washington whose résumé includes prestigious grants and scholarly publications, along with articles in popular outlets like Essence and RaceBaitr, a website exploring race. Her academic work, including the 2018 book “Fugitive Modernities: Kisama and the Politics of Freedom,” focuses on the politics and culture of African and African diaspora societies in the early modern period. . . Professor Krug’s scholarly work has won respectful attention. “Fugitive Modernities,” which examined the politics and cultures of fugitive slave communities in Angola and in the African diaspora, was a finalist in 2019 for two prestigious awards, the Harriet Tubman Prize and the Frederick Douglass Book Prize. Yomaira Figueroa, an associate professor of global diaspora studies at Michigan State University, said in an interview that it was considered an “amazing book” and “field-changing.” “I know a lot of folks who really respect her as a historian,” Professor Figueroa said. . ."
  2. independent/uk[2]- ". . Her book, Fugitive Modernities: Politics and Identity Outside the State in Kisama, Angola, and the Americas, c. 1594-Present, earned her a spot as a finalist for multiple awards, including ones named after Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglass. . ."
  3. npr[3] - ". . Figueroa says the university will need to look at whether Krug was hired in part to bring diversity to the university faculty, and whether she was granted tenure on the basis of lies. 'She is a really well respected historian. She does really good work. . .'"
  4. chronicle / higher ed[4]
  5. insidehighered[5] - ". . 'I do know that she’s a very well-respected scholar who has done really incredible work, so this is not an issue about her not being a talented academic or good at her job,' Figueroa said. . ."
  6. nymag[6] - ". . she’s also the author of Fugitive Modernities: Kisama and the Politics of Freedom. This book, a study of political movements among people trafficked in the slave trade, was a finalist for the 2020 Frederick Douglass Book Prize (presented by Yale’s Gilder Lehrman Center for the Study of Slavery, Resistance, and Abolition) and the 2019 Harriet Tubman Book Prize (presented by the Lapidus Center for the Historical Analysis of Transatlantic Slavery). According to a PDF of the book, published by the Guardian, she received financial support from the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture to help fund the project. . ."
  7. forbes[7] - ". . Krug’s book was well-reviewed by a slew of prominent academics and authors. . ."
  8. cnn[8] - ". . Her book, 'Fugitive Modernities,' was published by the prestigious Duke University Press and had been a 2019 finalist for the Harriet Tubman Prize and the Frederick Douglass Book Prize. Even Professor Figueroa admits that it was considered an "amazing," "field-changing" book. 'Fugitive Modernities' focuses on the 16th-century history of the Kisama region of Angola, whose status as a refugee site for Africans escaping Portuguese slave traders influenced the creation of escaped slave towns in New World countries like Colombia and Brazil. Historian Toby Green, who teaches at King's College in London, wrote a review of it in the Hispanic American Historical Review, praising Krug for 'moving beyond Eurocentric concepts to ideas derived from African languages." In an email, Green told me that he had a few exchanges with Krug because "there are not many historians of precolonial West/West Central Africa out there!" He insisted the book was "based on solid research," and that he "found it one of the best kinds of history, taking a sledgehammer to state power of all kinds... '. ."
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:15, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  9. cnn[9] - ". . Historian Toby Green, who teaches at King's College in London, wrote a review of it in the Hispanic American Historical Review, praising Krug for 'moving beyond Eurocentric concepts to ideas derived from African languages.' In an email, Green told me that he had a few exchanges with Krug because 'there are not many historians of precolonial West/West Central Africa out there!" He insisted the book was "based on solid research," and that he "found it one of the best kinds of history, taking a sledgehammer to state power of all kinds... So for many reasons, I found the revelations (about Krug) saddening.' . ."
  10. newyorker[10] - ". . It was published by Duke University Press, which is known for its cutting-edge monographs in the area of Black studies. The editorial director, Gisela Fosado, explained in a post on the press’s blog that she, too, had been lied to—in their initial contact, Fosado wrote, Krug claimed that her surname was actually Cruz. Fosado added that she is not sure what’s to be done now with Krug’s scholarship, which 'has been widely praised and recognized as important.' . ."
  11. dukepress[11] - ". . Krug leveraged her deception to enable and promote her work, in ways that are not quantifiable or always specific. As others have pointed out, Krug’s scholarship may not have ever existed without the funding that was inseparable from her two decades of lies. What are we then to do with her scholarship, which, as it happens, has been widely praised and recognized as important? . ."
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 11:54, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Outing

  1. nytimes - ". . Professor Figueroa, who does not know Professor Krug, said the scholars had begun questioning Professor Krug’s identity after a discussion of the novelist H. G. Carrillo, whose sister told The Washington Post after he died this year that he was not Afro-Cuban, as he had claimed to be, but rather was African-American. One of the scholars, Professor Figueroa said, believed that Professor Krug had also been lying about her identity. . ."
  2. insidehighered[12] - "'. . Yomaira C. Figueroa, associate professor of global diaspora studies at Michigan State University, said on Twitter that the 'only reason Jessica Krug finally admitted to this lie is [because] on Aug 26th one very brave very BLACK Latina junior scholar approached two senior Black Latina scholars & trusted them enough to do the research & back her up.' Those two professors contacted other senior scholars and institutions with unspecified proof, Figueroa tweeted. 'There was no witch hunt, but there was a need to draw the line. Krug got ahead of the story because she was caught & she knew the clock was ticking [because] folks started to confront her & ask questions.' In an interview, Figueroa said she did not know Krug personally. But she said discussions about Krug’s background were sparked in part by the recent revelation that late Cuban writer H. G. Carrillo was not actually Cuban at all, but rather born to a non-Latinx Black family in Detroit. . ."
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 10:49, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  3. npr[13] - ". . A person who didn't wish to be identified told NPR they recently informed editors who publish Krug's work online and others who work with her about possible discrepancies in her personal story. After receiving a tip that Krug was actually from Kansas City, they searched online and found what they believed to be Krug's parents' obituaries in that region. The person requested anonymity because they feared repercussions in their profession and did not wish to be publicly associated with the controversy. . ."
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 08:41, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  4. cnn[14] - ". . she was apparently discovered because several Black Latina scholars questioned Krug's identity after a group discussion about the late novelist H. G. Carrillo, who, after his death this year, was revealed not to be Afro-Cuban, but African-American by his sister. . ."
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 20:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  5. thenewyorker[15] - ". . Together with a third scholar, Figueroa-Vásquez began doing research into Krug’s background and found proof of her identity once and for all in the obituaries of Krug’s parents. . ."
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 09:36, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  6. counteremagazine[16] - (social-media trolling by 'La Bombalera') ". . I was a journalist and author who wrote the book 'Inside the CIA’s Secret War in Jamaica' and wrote protest music—she trashed my book and music as being irrelevant. It’s not often that I check a person’s page during a disagreement on Facebook, but I had to find out who this person was. Who had the audacity to question my Blackness? Jess La Bombalera had some sort of revolutionary symbol as her profile picture. I’d never met a Latina woman who was called Jess. They would usually go by Jessica. I’d also never heard of any Latinos calling themselves "La Bombalera"—it seemed like a wrestling name that an upper-class white girl from Scarsdale would use. On her page, I found out Jess La Bombalera’s real name: Jessica Krug. I saw a picture where she looked like a white Jewish woman with a tan. As a biracial man with many biracial friends, I have a good eye for identifying my biracial brothers and sisters. She wasn’t one of them. When I Googled her last name "Krug," I didn’t find any "Afro-Latinas" but Ashkenazi Jews. The picture, the last name, and her overcompensating for Blackness let me know one thing. This woman was not Black. Not Latina, not even biracial. This was a full-fledged white woman. I called her out on it and told her she wasn’t a person of color. She claimed that she was 100% Afro-Latina and derided me for being half-white. . ."
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 14:10, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

La Bombalera / Cruz

note - According to WP (I know: not a "wp:Reliable source"!):

"La Bomba (Puerto Rico)" " is both a traditional dance and musical style of Puerto Rico.[1] Its origins are rooted in the island's history of African slavery but today has evolved into a community expression of Afro-Puerto Rican culture. While Bomba can be used as the generic name for a number of rhythms, it is truly about a creative, interactive relationship between dancers, percussionists and singers. Today it's practiced as a communal activity in its centers of origin in Loíza, Santurce, Mayagüez and Ponce. Also, Puerto Rican migrants have brought the tradition to some parts of the US mainland.[1][2]"

Thus, apparently, la bombalera is a coinage that could suggest, in Spanish, "bomba dancer" (whereas la bombera in Spanish apparently means "firefighter").--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 09:21, 6 September 2020 (UTC)--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 15:10, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  1. thenewyorker[17] - ". . After Jess La Bombalera, of East Harlem, called out 'all these white New Yorkers who waited for hours with us to be able to speak, and then did not yield their time to black and brown indigenous New Yorkers,' a few of the white participants gave up their place in line. . ."
  2. nytimes[18] - ". . Professor Krug is also known in activist circles as Jess La Bombalera, which Ms. LaBouvier recalled her saying was 'her salsa name.' . ."
  3. npr[19] - ". . Chaédria LaBouvier, an art historian, says she met Krug on a panel in early 2017 and they spoke afterwards. 'Her accent seemed off to me, and the clothing and whole performative element of "hood" identity,' LaBouvier said in an email to NPR. LaBouvier says that Krug told her 'Jess La Bombalera' was her 'salsa name.' In a New York City Council public hearing in June about police brutality conducted over Zoom, a woman identifies herself as Jess La Bombalera in 'El Barrio, East Harlem.' . ."
  4. nymag[20] - ". . Others have attested to meeting Krug under this name. 'I was introduced to her by a colleague who was being honored at the Fredrick [sic] Douglass Book Prize ceremony this yr. She went by "Jess La Bombalera" & said she was Puerto Rican,' writer Ivie Ani tweeted Thursday. 'She asked me what part of the Bronx I’m from, I said "by Bronx River Houses" and she said "me too……' . ."
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 08:54, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  5. distractify[21] - ". . 'Three years ago I confronted Jessica Krug (known as Jess Labombalera) on fb. I thought she was white until she was adamantly told me otherwise. After this exchange she blocked me, deleted her fb and pulled out of different grassroots organizing.' . ."
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 09:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
cmt - (i.) I think Krug's saying La Bombalera's her "salsa" name equates to referencing it openly as not a legal but a stage name (ii.) "Jess" is not pseudonymous but, most accurately, a nickname.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 09:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't call it a "nickname" or "stage name". To me, that would be a name that is used without deception – like Squeaky Fromme, Wild Bill Hickok, or Magic Johnson. I think this is more of an "alias" or "pseudonym". Per the pseudonym article, a "pseudonym identifies one or more persons who have true names (that is, legal identities) but do not publicly disclose them". —BarrelProof (talk) 14:32, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Interestingly enough, according to WP there's a 1944 Hollywood short entitled Bombalera in which actress Olga San Juan starred in the role of dancer 'La Bomba' aka Rose Perez. The film was nominated for 1944's Oscar for Best 2-Reel (non-cartoon) Short. The movie's poster credits as well "The Bombalera Dancers."--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 14:43, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
thenewyorker[22] - ". . shows Krug in her Afro-Latinx pose. She introduces herself as Jess La Bombalera, a nickname apparently of her own making, adapted from Bomba, an Afro-Puerto Rican genre of music and dance. . ."
--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 09:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
dukepress[23] - ". . 'Thanks for asking about my last name. It’s actually "Cruz" and is pronounced as such. Long story, and when we meet up in person, I’ll tell you.' As an acquisition editor, I often present information about our authors and our books to colleagues across our departments, and, as someone whose name is often mispronounced, I work hard to get names right. From that point forward, everyone across our Press dutifully pronounced her name as 'Cruz.' When I met her in person for the first time the following year, shortly after her book was published, she told me the fictitious story of how her grandparents came to this country from the Caribbean and how immigration officials made a transcription mistake on their last name. . ."
--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 11:58, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
During the first few moments of this panel discussion via YouTube, Krug says that her surname is pronounced (identically to) Cruz.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 12:19, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
newyorker[24] - ". . She introduces herself as Jess La Bombalera, a nickname apparently of her own making, adapted from Bomba, an Afro-Puerto Rican genre of music and dance. . ."
--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 01:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cottage industry of ethnic impersonation

  1. newyorker[25] - ". . There’s a familiar story that accounts for the prevalence of lighter-complected folk in America, the post-bellum legacy of rape—the same narrative that Krug latched onto in making the myth of her 'lightskin' presentation, wielding it as a cudgel to protect her against those who might try to pry into the finer points of her background. [. . ]all of this light skin is not incidental to how Black studies sees itself—to who is promoted, professionally and ideologically, within the field, and to who is extended, as Krug was extended, so much benefit of the doubt. /P/ These things are known but rarely acknowledged in such mixed company. There may be a shift in the air, though. The unravelling of Krug’s charade began with a whisper network of sorts, as so many of these things do. The whispering continues. I am aware of at least one scholar, known for playing with the color line, who quietly modified her institutional bio recently. The self-description now specifies 'white.'"
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 13:47, 16 September 2020 (UTC)    [reply]
  1. (White to Black; gentile to Jew; etc.) From Susan Gubar's review [in African American Review 36:1] of Laura Browder's Slippery Characters [U./No. Carolina Press, 2000]) [26] :

    " . . Mattie Griffith, the abolitionist creator of The Autobiography of a Female Slave (1857); Lillian Smith, a "voluntary Indian" renamed "Wenona," who starred in Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show in the 1880s; the "imaginary Jew" Elizabeth Stern, whose I Am a Woman-And a Jew (1926) was penned by the illegitimate child of a Welsh Baptist mother and a German Lutheran father; Sylvester Lance, the son of former slaves who "transformed himself into the internationally famous Chief Buffalo Child Long Lance" and composed the memoir Lance Long (1928); Ben Reitman, a Jewish lecturer and Chicago fund-raiser whose Sister of the Road: The Autobiography of Boxcar Bertha (1937)..."

    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 12:42, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Negative stereotypes

  1. cnn[27] - ". . Hunter College professor Yarimar Bonilla, who was a fellow at New York's Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture with Krug, said on Twitter that Krug employed gross racial stereotypes to build her claim to authenticity, 'claiming to be a child of addicts from the hood,' . . her youth in the Bronx constantly witnessing acts of police brutality, describing one against her brother, . ."
  2. npr[28] - ". . vivid memories of police brutality in a Bronx childhood. . . saying her parents were addicts and her mother was a sex worker. . ."
  3. aldianews[29] - ". . Afro-Latina raised in the Bronx with drug-addicted parents and a brother who was a victim of police violence. . ."
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 15:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 September 2020

Moved to Jessica Krug as there is overwhelming support for a move. While there is some support for adding her middle initial, the consensus is for leaving it out. I would observe that she does publish with her middle initial, but our policy on names is WP:COMMONNAMES. While it wasn't specifically mentioned, the consensus seems to reflect the guidelines intent, that we generally use what sources use, not necessarily what the person themselves use. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 14:59, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Jessica Krug academic scandal → ? – Per the discussion begun below, the name perhaps should be (A) "Jessica Krug ethno-racial pretense scandal," in order to accurately designate the nature of the scandal; or (B) "Jessica Krug," inasmuch as sufficient sourcing exists about her life, accomplishments and background, as distinct from - albeit intertwined with - the controversy w rgd to her passing as an academic of color, for which she's primarily notable. Or: Any other suggestions? Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 15:24, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Added later) - "Jessica Krug racial identity fraud admission"?--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 00:43, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The article was renamed to add "controversy" to the title. What is controversial about it? She has admitted that she misrepresented her ethnicity. That is not controversial in itself. Some people may consider it reprehensible, but I don't see how it is controversial. (I also thought I remembered some general guideline about avoiding "controversy" as article title names, but I am not sure my memory is accurate about that.) The nearest similar case that I'm aware of is Rachel Dolezal. The article about her does not include "controversy". Do any of the cited sources refer to this topic as a controversy? Per the comments shown above on the Talk page, she may have some notability for other actions as well. If so, then the article should just use her name as the title. —BarrelProof (talk) 00:56, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For that matter, do most sources include her middle initial, or do they omit it? My impression is that middle initials are often not part of a person's common name. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:03, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I propose we move the article to "------ scandal" -- & also "sans" her middle initial.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 01:15, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I propose we just rename it to Jessica Krug or maybe Jessica A. Krug. The coverage isn't about a single thing. It's about her career, spanning years, with numerous writings, and multiple awards. It's all about her. This is a biography, in every sense of the word. I find it funny that when somebody becomes suddenly known for positive things, nobody wants to add a suffix, like Joe Blough success or Joe Blough winning award or Joe Blough in Olympics, but if it's a negative thing, we want to tack on a negative suffix, like "controversy" or "scandal". Seriously, if she had one a sufficiently famous award, and suddenly garnered national attention for that, everybody would support for an article without a suffix. But, because the national coverage came over something negative, there's this odd desire to append that negative thing to the title. Given that such a suffix will never, ever, be used to find the article in a search, what exactly is the purpose of adding "controversy" or "scandal" or any other suffix to the name, other than to demean? Unfortunately, only an admin can rename the article, it seems (I tried).-Rob (talk) 04:00, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(Well, anyone could move the article to Jess Krug, a name she also uses in her bylines sometimes, as that namespace remains unoccupied....) In any case, IMO there's a stronger case for the "scandal" as being the article's primary "hook" w rgd to notability, I myself have no objections were it to become a full-on blp (esp. if its biographical section(s) get expanded).--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 09:18, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To state my case more formally, I believe wp:ONEEVENT would ALLOW the creation of a blp in this case, despite her being known primarily for the scandal, due to the extent of biographical coverage given her overall. (Cf.: George Floyd. It would also behoove WP well for there to be wp:Balance in this biographical coverage in order to avoid the harm of creating some kind of so-called pseudo biography.)--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 09:36, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The current title is "Jessica Krug academic scandal". I think the word "academic" is unnecessary and should be removed. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:28, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
cmt - Well, there is wp:Consistent. That said, to my ear, a qualifier does help modulate in tone somewhat from the perception that Wikipedia has dedicated a page solely to attacks on the reputation of a living person (namely, I myself prefer "Monica Lewinski political scandal" to "Monica Lewinski scandal"; "Jeremiah Wright political controversy" to "Jeremiah Wright controversy"; "John McCain lobbyist controversy" to "Vicki Iseman controversy"; etc.).--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 14:54, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If we want to include a qualifier, I suggest something more directly descriptive of the nature of the controversy – e.g. "racial pretense scandal", "ethnic pretense scandal", or "ethno-racial pretense scandal". —BarrelProof (talk) 15:13, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Adding "racial pretense" as a qualifier with somebody's name, seems about as bias and hostile as you can get. Terms like "racial pretense" (when attached to a BLP name) belong in the quotation marks, in the body, with appropriate attribution if they are to be used. -Rob (talk) 16:09, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The simple thing to do would be to just use "Jessica Krug". —BarrelProof (talk) 18:05, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (B) for now, just plain "Jessica Krug". Currently, this is merely a biographical article, with a section on the "scandal" (is it a scandal? What's the criteria for that?). Walrasiad (talk) 20:40, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well e/g
  1. here's the lede of an opinion piece in today's washingtonpost[30]: "Jessica Krug's effort to pass herself off as Black wasn't just sick. It was hurtful. . ."
  2. title & dek from a piece in yesterday's Guardian: "Jessica Krug: university cancels classes by white academic who posed as Black: George Washington University working on options for students; Provost and dean acknowledge 'pain' caused by scandal"
  3. insidehighered[31] - ". . Krug’s case is arguably . . complex from an academic standpoint, in that she promoted her fake identity as she was building her career as a tenured, full-time professor. . ."
    --Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 22:28, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I meant Wikipedia's own criteria for using the term "scandal" in a title. Do we have criteria differentiating, say, a "scandal" from a "controversy" or an "affair"? "Scandal" is a non-neutral term and insinuates a moral judgment or opinion about it, which is not really WP:NPOV. So I'd prefer to be cautious about applying it. If this thing acquires traction in the press and becomes widely known under the term "scandal" and none other, then OK. But I don't think we're there yet. I think for now we should give Jessica Krug the same generic bio as we do for those (e.g. Rachel Dolezal, Stephen Glass, Jayson Blair, etc.) who would not be particularly notable if not for the scandals they were involved in. Walrasiad (talk) 22:47, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (B), rename to Jessica Krug, per above comments. Krug's whole life is the subject of coverage, starting with the circumstances of her birth (e.g. ethnic make-up of parents), up to today. -Rob (talk) 00:34, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This should be left as is since her notability is a direct result of her admitted scandal, she frames it in moral terms in the medium post, so the title of the article is appropriate. -Rainmentregal (User talk:Rainmentregal) 04:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
cmt - Perhaps applicable, wp:PERPETRATOR #2's "unusual" & with "sustained coverage": The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role. (Note: A living person accused of a crime is presumed not guilty unless and until the contrary is decided by a court of law. Editors must give serious consideration to not creating an article on an alleged perpetrator when no conviction is yet secured.)--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 12:56, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support b'. Page to be called Jessica A. Krug. Please note the definition of crime is: 'An action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law.' Jessica Krug has not committed a crime. But she is notable in her field - I'm looking at a dozen reviews of Fugitive Modernities, and certainly heard about it when it was out - so could well have ended up with a page of her own later, if anyone got around to it. Cleopatran Apocalypse (talk) 15:02, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
user:Cleopatran Apocalypse, those she'd allegedly "defrauded" would likely have to have come forward to file charges, which I doubt would happen. (Sometimes forced-out professors files suit alleging violations of rights accorded under tenure but Jessica seems dis-interested in ever going such route, at least judging by her Medium piece, it seems.)--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk)
It appears that none disagree with this, or have offered a substantive disagreement. It's been three days since the last comment. If there's no serious objection within 24 hours, I suggest the move be effected. If no one else does it, or instructs me not to, I will do it. Cleopatran Apocalypse (talk) 12:57, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Uh... Noting that, I put my support behind Jessica A. Krug, not just Jessica Krug. She publishes under Jessica A. Krug and it seems most appropriate to preserve that in the Wikipedia title. Cleopatran Apocalypse (talk) 12:58, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support mv to "Jessica A. Krug" namespace. Seems to me slightly more "NPOV" to put the blp at the namespace with the middle initial in that most of the 'Jessica Krug' cites have to do with the scandal, whereas most 'Jessica A. Krug' ones have to do with her academic work. In cases where reliable sources are relatively split, seems that WP guidelines eg at wp:Middle initial have no pref between _i._ first name–last name, & _ii._ first name, middle initial, last name.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 15:09, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support B Rename to: Jessica Krug - there is only one person involved though there should probable be an separate article about these types of scandals blindlynx (talk) 20:44, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support B Any missing details of the biography can be covered as well. Kraose (talk) 13:52, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Additional source?

There might be some useful material in this article from The Guardian? JezGrove (talk) 22:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

re-organize

I would like to eliminate the section name "Biography" (keeping most content). The whole article is a "biography", so the name is meaningless, and causes the article to be organized haphazardly, with sections going deeper than needed. We can reduce the length of quotations. We have two length quotations, and picture of her Medium post. Seems like overkill. Having a quotation in a box on the right side, also limits where it can be positioned in article. I also don't see why we need a screenshot of a web page, as long as we describe what's on it, based on reliable sources. -Rob (talk) 00:06, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seems the biography update was done already. The quote there did seem a bit like overkill; I generally find quotes inappropriate in Wikipedia articles on social or contentious topics. Cleopatran Apocalypse (talk) 05:05, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Material removed

Was taking all this out justified? Proxima Centauri (talk) 14:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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