Talk:Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2021

Under the category, “Nicknames”, add “Jackie O”. 136.49.142.166 (talk) 07:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Jackie and Declan Costello

The following is an extract from the newly updated Declan Costello article

In 1950, Jacqueline Bouvier, later to become better known as Jackie Kennedy, was staying for a time in Ireland. She had befriended a Father Joseph Leonard, an elderly priest who lived in Drumcondra, Dublin. It was through Father Leonard that Bouvier was introduced to the Costello family. Bouvier had confessed to Father Leonard that she was seeking a husband at the time, and Leonard suggested that Declan, then 24 years old, would be a good match. Bouvier wrote to Leonard that Declan "sounds like absolute heaven" and that he would make a "suitable" husband. However, the match was never to come about as Bouiver continued her travels onwards to Scotland, and later returned to the United States while Costello married Joan Fitzsimons in 1953. Jacqueline would return to Ireland in 1955 as Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy alongside her new husband US Senator John FitzGerald Kennedy, whom she introduced to the Costello family. Jacqueline would later write in a private letter to Costello recalling a double date between the couples: "That night we dined at Jammet's and our happy marriage was nearly rent asunder because Jack was enchanted by Joan and I was enchanted with you -- but somehow we patched it all up at the movies"
— Declan Costello article

Do other editors feel a short synopsis of the above warrants inclusion in the College and early career subsection of Jackie's article, or would it be considered too trivial given the scope of her life? I'm not sure how many or how few credible suitors Jackie had before her first marriage. For reference, the "Costello" family mentioned above is the family of John A. Costello, who at the time was Taoiseach (Prime Minister) of Ireland. That is to say, the most politically powerful man in Ireland at the time. Also, while the above doesn't get into it, Jackie continued to correspond sporadically with both Father Joseph Leonard and Costello as late as the late 1960s, if that influences how people view whether this was trivial or significant relantionship. CeltBrowne (talk) 01:03, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

References

It's a mildly interesting sidelight in the lives of Jackie and Declan, but I'm not sure it even belongs in the Declan article. The quotations by Jackie are the only thing that rise above the background, but they don't really seem to justify inclusion of the anecdote in this article, since there never was an actual dating relationship between the two principals. DonFB (talk) 08:02, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2022

Under the section RELATIONSHIP TO ROBERT F KENNEDY

"He credited *Kennedy* with convincing him to stay in politics..."

The reference to Kennedy can be confusing since there's several Kennedy's mentioned in the article.

I suggest changing it to...

"He credited *Jacqueline* with convincing him to stay in politics..." 50.5.111.73 (talk) 07:17, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Clarified that section, thanks for spotting. --Marbe166 (talk) 07:37, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Just to clarify: the subject of the article is always the only one who is referred to using a bare surname. Others are referred to by their first names (if related) or their full names (if unrelated). Exceptions are for lists of family members or when the usage of surname alone would be confusing in the context. All other Kennedys here should be referred to by their first names only. MOS:SAMESURNAME WP Ludicer (talk) 23:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Style of surname in article

Much of the article refers to her with the surname "Kennedy" rather than "Kennedy Onasis". The article should either have its title changed, or the body of the article should probably be corrected to refer to her as "Kennedy Onasis". SecretName101 (talk) 00:02, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

No. The body of the article refers to her in different places by the name she used at the time being discussed. This has come up during the years of editing this piece and this is the method that is most sensible and comprehensible. It's not a typical situation, so we adapt the usual rules to make the most sense. Not changing the title of the article either - this has been the stable name for almost 20 years and it is the name she used for the majority of her life. Tvoz/talk 04:26, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

The name she used and her common name can indeed differ. The question is what name she most commonly was referred to by the public.

There are areas of the article that need to be double-checked for what name they use. There are many areas that are interchanging the name usage in confusing ways. SecretName101 (talk) 06:28, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

And, that fact that the article has used this name for a long name is not an argument against re-assessing the name. Plenty of articles have changed long-standing names. The article "Impeachment and acquittal of Andrew Johnson" was renamed to Impeachment of Andrew Johnson after nearly a decade. The article for Kyiv was long spelled "Kiev" (likely since near the creation of this project) until being renamed within this last year or so.

You can re-assess things. SecretName101 (talk) 06:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree that the article should refer to her in different places by the name she used at the time being covered. In legacy text, she should be called "Onassis" only (like it or not). --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Summary might be too long

Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 02:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)