Talk:I Need a Girl (Trey Songz song)

Requested move 26 June 2017

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. bd2412 T 02:56, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

• I Need a Girl (Trey Songz song) → I Need a Girl
• I Need a Girl → I Need a Girl (disambiguation)

– I am not requesting a move because this song is the primary topic, which it is clearly not. In fact, if you think about it literally by the article's name, it is the only topic, as P. Diddy's songs are called "I Need a Girl (Part One)" and "I Need a Girl (Part Two)". All that is needed in this article if this move comes to pass is a note saying "for P. Diddy's songs of similar names, see Part One and Part Two" or something like that. But again, this song is literally the only song with the name "I Need a Girl". 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:8BB:55F:E0BA:1473 (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose how can a chart no.59 song be more notable than a no.2 charting song? In ictu oculi (talk) 21:58, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "I Need a Girl" is the exact title for this song, but not for the other songs. Again, this is not exactly the primary topic, this is the only song with this exact name. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:8BB:55F:E0BA:1473 (talk) 13:12, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
• Support per nom and WP:COMMONNAME. The P. Diddy songs are where they are and anyone searching for them with "I need a girl" will find links to them in the hatnote at the top of this article just as easily as finding links on a dab page. --В²C ☎ 00:41, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose per IIO. Also, the current title is descriptive. Omnedon (talk) 14:26, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Unless the article's subject has no name or requires disambiguation, our titles simply reflect the name of the subject. Descriptive titles are for subjects that don't have names or require disambiguation. The issue here is whether this title requires disambiguation, not whether it needs or benefits from being descriptive. --В²C ☎ 19:10, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
    • Moving from a more-descriptive title to one that communicates nearly nothing (by itself) is not helpful to the reader. Omnedon (talk) 00:09, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
• Comment – There's "Shape of You" and "Shape of You (Reshaped)". Do we see "Shape of You" being retitled "Shape of You (song)"? No. Do we even see a dab page for the two songs? Also no. The point is "I Need a Girl" is the literal title of this song only. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:54BE:C35B:3B92:273D (talk) 21:13, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Well that's because the Ed Sheeran song was a No.1 worldwide while Shape of You (Beverley Knight song) doesn't appear to have charted anywhere. Which is the reverse of here where you're proposing putting a barely known song over a No.2 based on how it was titled in some versions. Per "Combs may be trying to woo back JLo with his hit song, “I Need a Girl,” (featuring the lyricis: “I need a girl to make my wife...”)" .... etc. the "(Part One)" isn't always there. Likewise The New Rolling Stone Album Guide 2004 Page 665 "a return to form driven by a series of addictive singles: the Neptunes-produced spelling lesson "Diddy," the hip-hop ballad "I Need a Girl," the back- to-basics bragfest "Let's Get It," ..." Where's (Part One) in Rolling Stone? It isn't always there. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:01, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose. As detailed above, there are a pair of much more notable songs with basically this name, but with an inbuilt disambiguator or subtitle of "(part one)" and "(part two)". Those subtitles do not remove those two songs from contention in assessing the primary topic, and per our usual rules we should have the dab page at the base name because there isn't a primary topic (and also, if there were a primary topic it would be one of the P.Diddy songs, not this song).  — Amakuru (talk) 15:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.