Talk:Hallissey

Hallissey Talk Page & Website

This is the Wikipedia Hallissey Talk page and, it can act as a type of Clan Website. On this talk page, feel free to discuss the Hallissey name, or your particular spelling of the name, or any research you might be doing on your own part of the family tree. This talk page is also a good place make contact with other people who are doing research and family genealogy trees for their ancestors. Wikipedia is completely free, there is no subscription fee here, and no adverts. Nobody will try to sell you anything here.

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John37309 (talk) 09:40, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Just an Example Chat topic

This is just an example chat topic by me, John. You can edit this topic or feel free to start a new discussion thread about any topic you like.

John37309 (talk) 09:49, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Spelling variation in the Hallissey name

Without a doubt, i have found a massive spelling variation in the name Hallissey while carrying out research. On the main Wikipedia Hallissey page, i have currently listed over 20 different spelling variations of the name. And i'm sure there are many more different ways to spell the name.

But without any doubt, all of these different branches of the name stem from one original ancestor. We are all part of the one tribe or clan, with one original ancestor. All the different spelling variations are just branches of the same tree.

Currently as things stand, November 2013, i have not yet found the true original root of this ancestral name. There should be an original progenitor of the name. As a rough guess, judging by the sheer number of different families listed between 1800 and 1850 in the Kerry church records, this original ancestor should exist sometime back in the 1300s, or 1400s. But that's a very rough guess.

As things stand right now, November 2013, i'm still actively searching through the massive number of old Irish Annals to try to find the root of the Hallissey name. The work continues!

All comments welcome,

John37309 (talk) 10:10, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Crest

Where did you find the crest? Is it accurate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.9.130 (talk) 06:00, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Good question. As far as i am aware, and i have checked, there is no family coat of arms for the name "Hallissey", or any of the many spellings of this name. There are tonnes of websites on the internet that will try to "sell" you a coat of arms, but it won't be authentic. Its as simple as this - There is no Hallissey coat of arms, we were never granted one!

So because we were never granted a family coat of arms, i personally made one myself, on my own computer. And i have uploaded that to Wikipedia so its free for anyone to use.

This is my line of thinking - If the Hallissey's were never granted a coat of arms, then it might as well be me, a Hallissey, who goes and designs one that everyone can use.

The only really 100% accurate historical information i have on the origins of the name is that its a Cork-Kerry name. So i split the panel into 2 halves, or 4 quarters. And i used the green and yellow Kerry colours to colour the left hand side of the crest, and the red and white Cork colours to colour the right hand side of the crest. I chose an Eagle because its a symbol of liberty and freedom, and i added a Sailing ship to the top of the crest because both the Kerry and Cork county coats of arms have ships in them.

I'm open minded, all feedback, both good and bad is appreciated.

John37309 (talk) 17:55, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

John, there's a couple things you're going to have to get straight. Wikipedia isn't a place where you can publish your own personal research or opinions. See Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. That's means you can't place your own theorises about the Hallisseys in the article, and you certainly can't put in an unhistorical coat of arms that you've dreamt up. A simple rule of thumb is, if you don't a have a reliable source for a particular factoid, don't add it into the article.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:04, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Brianann, what you did wasn't very constructive at all. Please do come and chat with us here first before you make such drastic edits to the Hallissey surname page again. All of the article content is very well sourced, and references are provided where ever necessary. Thank you Brianann. John37309 (talk) 05:25, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Just read the links above. You can't add your own original research and musings into Wikipedia articles. This article is rife with original research, and reads like someone's self-help blog. You've got to clue in that this is an encyclopedia article, not a place to help people with their personal genealogy.

The section "Contribute to this page" is totally unencyclopaedic (see Wikipedia:NOTHOWTO). The section "Origins of the name" is original research. The section "Census records" is original research. The section "Church records" is original research. The section "Possible ancestral name" is original research. The section is a synthesis of primary sources (Irish annals) and original research (see Wikipedia:SYNTH). The section "Oenghus O'h-Ailghiusa 1193 AD" is also a synthesis of primary sources and original research. The lists under "Halsey" are already covered in Halsey (surname) and Halsey (disambiguation) - where they belong. The section "Useful resources" is just a random list of genealogical links with nothing specific to the surname "Hallissey".

Improving this article means removing the stuff - not leaving it in. That includes your imaginary coat of arms. The goal is to create a reliable and verifiable article about the surname, not a how-to guide or a scrapbook containing everything under the sun named "Hallissey". It's essential that you realise that we're supposed to follow reliable secondary sources concerning the topic, and that Wikipedians are supposed to be writers and editors, rather than researchers of original thought. Understand?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 11:30, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Brianann, will you please put back the picture of Kenmare village as this village has the largest concentration of the Hallissey name anywhere. This is where the name come from, and its very well known to people with the Hallissey name, the people that live down in Cork and Kerry.

Brianann, will you please put back the Infobox about the Hallissey name that you removed. You don't seem to mind having an infobox on your own Macaulay surname page. Please don't remove our infobox, we are entitled to have one.

Brianann, will you please put back the information about the Halsey name as the two names have overlapped for at least 200 years now and people are entitled to know about this spelling overlap of the two names. Your censoring public information, information that is well known in Kerry, but people in the United Stated might be unaware of.

Brianann, we are also entitled to have the new discussion box on this talk page, the one you vandilised the first time. The new discussion box is used on thousands of pages on wikipedia. We are entitled to have one. We are entitled to talk to each other and share ideas here on this talk page. Pleaase leave it alone.

Brianann, the Hallissey name is a minority name, less than 3000 people worldwide, its never going to be a high volume Wikipedia article with lots of editors that can reach academic consensus on the perfect wording for the article. So i appeal to you to "give us a break" from the hardline rules and regulations. Brianann, i agree with you, the article did need a clean up, and some of the content i wrote could be written in a better Wikepedia style. I don't have as much time on my hands, so go easy will you. Its just a family name page, and its a minotity name at that. Thanks Brianann. John37309 (talk) 13:09, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

We need a source associating the surname with Kenmare before this article implies a connection. Simple as that. The Halsey lists belong in their own articles. There's no need to have duplicate lists. We're dealing with notable Hallisseys here, and over on Halsey (surname) we're dealing with notable Halseys. I understand that you believe "Halsey" to be a variant or cognate form of "Hallissey". What we need is a source stating as such, then we can note this factoid in both articles.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 23:27, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Brianann, quite frankly, i cannot believe what you just done, wiping the page completely, and describing it as a "fresh start". A year ago i went looking for information about the Hallissey name, and there was absolutely nothing about it anywhere. It took me 10 pain-staking months to compile the information i had, and i spent a month, from 11th November 2013 to 2nd December 2013 putting the information onto Wikipedia. I had to learn how to use wikipedia, i had to learn the code from scratch, i had to make adjustments to the page. I had to refine my information, i had to get all my sources and quotes. I had to research everything, and finally i beautified the article by adding nice pictures and formatting. It was very hard work and it took a long time.

Brianann, by December 2013, i was thrilled with all the work i had done. I knew the article wasn't perfect, i had lots more stuff to fix, but i would "tweak" the article over the following months and years. But i thought to myself, its ok, other Hallissey's will find the page and help build up the information in time. I thought, its a minority surname, we don't have much historical information, but we Hallissey's will build it up in time. I never thought a British person with the Macaulay surname would come along and wipe the whole lot and call it a "fresh start". Brianann Macaulay, you came to this page, however you found it, having never talked to us here before on the Hallissey talk page, and having never contributed anything to the page before, and you just spent two days butchering the page, and our Hallissey family history, that i spent a over a year compiling, you wiped it clean.

Have you any idea just how hurtful that is to me Brianann? Do you know what empathy is? Feeling for other people? This isn't a massive, high volume Wikipedia page, with tonnes of people passing through here tweaking and editing the article. I feel like a 6 year old kid that just drew a nice drawing, and i was very proud of my work, and the "Historical Encyclopedic Expert" just walked in the door, first butchered my nice work, then ripped up my nice drawing, binned it, and said lets have a "fresh start", its not good enough for my expert standards. And Brianann, the fresh new page you just started has little or nothing on the page for people to read, it has no history on the page. What i wrote myself had lots of flaws, yes, i admit that, but at least i had some interesting history that we Hallissey's could tweak over the coming years. I gave the Hallissey's some starter history that we could play with, and refine. Brianann Macaulay, you might be an expert in history, but you don't seem to know anything about my people, and where they live, and where we come from, and the history of our family name.

Brianann, take back what you did, revert the page back to the way it was before you came here. Just forget about this page, its not your surname, its ours, its my surname. And i'm here for the long haul. Brianann, revert the changes and just pretend you never found this page, just ignore the Hallissey page. Leave the page to me, a Hallissey that will take care of the page, and refine and tweak the page over time. Its just a low volume page and only a handful of people are ever going to read this page, and they are all likely to have the surname Hallissey. Please Brianann, leave the page to the people called Hallissey. Revert the changes you made and walk away with your head held high, knowing that, yes, you broke the rules and ignored a few quotes that were not 100% up to Wikipedia's high standards, but Brianann you will know that you did a good thing in not hurting someone's feelings. A man that isn't very academic, but he is trying his best as a voulinteer. --- John Hallissey. 9 March 2014, 14:10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by John37309 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Your work still exists in the article history, and you can easily copy it and put it up on a blog or personal webpage (maybe you could check out Familypedia on Wikia, which runs on the same wiki software as here, and transfer some of your stuff over there). If you actually try to understand what Wikipedia is about, and read some of the links I posted above—including this particular part of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not—you'll might understand where I'm coming from. The fact is, you've got to keep your own opinions, artistic creations, research, and speculations totally separate from your work on Wikipedia. That's it. Your personal attachment to the subject and laborious efforts here have absolutely no bearing on anything. There's nothing stopping you from finding another outlet for your own genealogical essays and personal research, and there's nothing stopping you from working on this article within Wikipedia's guidelines. It's up to you.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 10:18, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Brianann, i have only one question left - How did you find this Hallissey page in the first place? Its not like this is a popular page, its not, its a very low volume page, real minority stuff. Nobody finds this page unless they are looking for something very specific relating to the information i had written on the page. What brought you here in the first place? John37309 (talk) 01:36, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't remember. Something you might be interested in is Guild of One-Name Studies.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Halsey

Love this Wikipedia entry! Great job! We should be careful though using the surname "Halsey" because of its English origin. For example the battleships and the generals use the name "Halsey" but according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halsey_House_(Southampton,_New_York) they are English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.211.72.206 (talk) 22:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello there. Yes, this is a good topic to chat about, its a real problem, and its hard to know what to do. At this stage, i am quite sure that the name "Halsey" is an English name, just like you suggest. And to top that off, genetically, the "Halsey's" will have a different DNA lineage, a different ancestry.

But here is the problem - "Halsey" was one of the spelling variations used in the church baptism and marriage records, in Cork and kerry, and in Census records. Its funny, Halsey was one of the spelling variations used in my own family. It only happened on one occasion, but it still happened. And some people might have adopted the Halsey spelling right through to today.

This would be my current plan; As things currently stand, we have little or no 100% concrete historical information on the true genetic root of the Hallissey name. Its possible, in theory, maybe we Hallissey's actually descend from an English man called "Halsey" who came to Ireland in the 1400's or 1500's. Or, in theory, it could be the other way around, maybe Halsey's descends from us, maybe a Hallissey emigrated to England. Or maybe there is zero connection and its just a spelling coincidence.

So my plan is to leave all the "Halsey" stuff at the bottom of the Wikipedia page until i get some reliable concrete information. If i can get something concrete, i will remove the vast majority of the "Halsey" stuff from the bottom of the article. I have several fresh leads i'm following, but the research takes time. I'm hoping some history buff will find this Wikipedia page and enlighten me.

John37309 (talk) 00:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC)