Talk:Great Britain national rugby league team

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Split

Why is GB being split into the four individual nations? There's no explanation in the article, and there should be. 81.158.2.235 16:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Simple the Celts generally don't like 'British' teams (especially the Irish - unionists excepted). As England has 85% of the UK's population, if rugby league was evenly spread then you'd have a mostly English team with the occasional Scot / Welsh / N Irish player. As it happens almost all rugby league is in England, the result is that Great Britain is largely an English team. There's no likelyhood of any games being played outside England because there'd be no audience.
There are now some grassroot rugby league organisations in Wales, Scotland and Ireland (especially Wales). These organisations want to promote the game in W/S/I and internationals are the best way to do this, especially if they beat England occasionally. The downside is that most of their players are likely to be English but with a Welsh / Scots / Irish granny which means that England will not be as strong as Great Britain was. We are already outgunned by the Aussies as it is (though we thrashed them today).17:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

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Move

I think it's time we moved this to the Great Britain Lions. Thoughts? Bongomanrae (talk) 07:21, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer it to stay at its current location to stay consistent with the other national sides. I think a redirect does the job. Mattlore (talk) 07:39, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, what Matt said.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 08:52, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

England uber Alles

"Next year (2007) will be the last time Great Britain will play. They will be England after that." - Says it all really... --MacRùsgail (talk) 17:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't get your point? Mattlore (talk) 19:20, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Since the end of union shamateurism, there has only been one Celt good enough to play for the GB side (Brian Carney). It is an unfortunate fact that those lads playing for GB in 2007 were all English (and all from Yorks / Lancs / Cumbria at that). It's just down to where rugby league has historically been played.GordyB (talk) 19:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I thought he was just pointing out how out of date some of the prose in this article is.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 02:36, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Look at the title.GordyB (talk) 21:36, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merging History article back into this one

Can we merge the History of the Great Britain national rugby league team article back into this one?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'm doing it.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 09:33, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Anachronism

We seem to consistently call the team Great Britain but, for example, press reports for the November 1929 match refer to it as England, in the headline, throughout the text and in the team listings. So which was it then? - Sitush (talk) 11:40, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's RLP is wrong in reporting them as GB and England in the sources for the 1929–30 Kangaroo tour of Great Britain, as there certainly were Welshmen and Scotsmen in the GB team.Fleets (talk) 12:10, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
RLP? - Sitush (talk) 13:27, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, your link - specifically this bit uses both Britain and England. And the cited source (Sydney Morning Herald) says England. I can see that, for example, Jim Sullivan was born in Cardiff and played union in Wales before joining Wigan to play league. But that doesn't mean the team was called Great Britain and if the reliable sources are saying otherwise then they are what we should follow, not our own research and/or modern-day prejudices.
To give an analogy, in articles relating to India, we refer to Mumbai if we're talking about the period after the city adopted that name but we use Bombay otherwise, simply because that was the name at the time. Basically, we don't do political correctness and we don't do anachronisms.
And, back on the rugby stuff, as has recently been discussed there are, for example, plenty of non-English-born players who are qualified to play for England and non-British-born players who are qualified to play for GB. - Sitush (talk) 13:36, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Rugby League Project. RLP would more than likely be wrong in using both, but to Australians, even to this day, England and Great Britain are interchangeable terms. This is true for much of Britains time as an Empire through to the modern day, and I would say much to the annoyance of the other home nations. The issue of England and Great Britain being interchangeable terms is a problem that goes far beyond rugby league. Mumbai changed names at a specific point in time, whereas the Britain and England blurred line goes far beyond the laziness of Australian journalists. I'm also happy to be wrong and find that Australia played England with Welsh rugby league internationals in their side, as that can happen, but that research would need to happen.Fleets (talk) 08:22, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The team was (I understand officially) called England back in the 1920's even though it was a Great Britain representative side. Prior to that they were called the "Northern Union" team. We tend to use Great Britain to describe this team to avoid confusion with the England national rugby league team, but there may be a better way to do it. Mattlore (talk) 23:16, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. That is my point: it was indeed called England even in the English press. It is nothing to do with misplaced descriptions by colonial newspapers etc. And it was called thus beyond the 1920s, eg: I am currently expanding Arthur Atkinson (rugby league) and what is called "Great Britain" in that article is called "England" in the 1930s newspapers. In fact, I've yet to find a report from that period which says otherwise. I'm not sure what the solution may be but I do think something needs to be done because it is confusing. - Sitush (talk) 05:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I didn't get your point, but Mattlore has made it perfectly. I also bow to his, her or their greater historical knowledge of that period. My reasoning was sound, but ulitmately seemingly quite wrong. I can agree with you Sitush in not knowing how to go forwards. Perhaps a distinct paragraph within the national teams that covers the grey area. Not really sure what the answer is, but we seem to be want to be precise, when the people of the time did not.Fleets (talk) 09:35, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't really an issue of being precise where the people at the time were not. It's about following the sources and not re-writing history through rose-tinted glasses etc. I do not dispute that avoidance of anachronisms can sometimes make life awkward here but, as I said above, modern national/"home nations" teams are also filled with people who qualify on residence grounds or similar but most definitely are not English in the sense that T. C. Mits would understand the term The Celebrated Man In The Street. If someone, like me, for example, decides to look at a cited source in the hope of more information and finds that Great Britain isn't even mentioned in it then it throws that person off and raises questions for them that really we should have dealt with. - Sitush (talk) 18:07, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That is exactly what it is; you are seeking to define something beyond the parameters at which it was assigned at the time. No-one is asking you to re-write history or apply a gloss. You're back on track with the last sentence, as we should deal with the issue. I would recommend investigation and their are a number of rugby league historians on both sides of the world, perhaps they have the answer, and would back up the likes of Middo.Fleets (talk) 09:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

According to David Middleton, though not composed inclusively of English players, the team was called England prior to 1948, Great Britain until 1999, and then GB & Ireland henceforth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.82.15 (talk) 09:30, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Separate articles for individual tours

Is there a good reason for this page not to link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Great_Britain_national_rugby_league_team_tours and its child pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rtande (talk • contribs) 04:37, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is it not great Britain and Ireland

Irish players from the Republic of Ireland play for this team, Brian Carney for example and it is called great Britain and Ireland not just great Britain 2001:BB6:1E97:F958:303A:C46A:D16A:DFA9 (talk) 21:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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