Talk:Geomatics/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Geomancy?

This term seems to just pop up in the text with a clear relation to the term. As a Geomaticien, I've never stubbled accross this term prior to today.Dryzen 18:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, looks like I wrote that while merging from Geomatic, thanks for the quick correction :) This article certainly has nothing to do with Geomancy. 02:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I just learnt what Geomancy is then. Your quite right not much correlation between the two.Dryzen 15:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

No Difference

Hi there,

Well, I am not sure whether they are different. I guess they are one and the same.

Because I come from a Geo-informatics background, I could very well say that I am a geomatics engineer or a geo-informatics engineer!

Vidhya lakshmi 12:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

If there is a difference, it is really very subtle, so my opinion is that both terms describe the same thing. A definition of geoinforamtics is available from http://paces.geo.utep.edu/research/geoinformatics/geoinformatics_explained_brief.shtml which could be used to advocate certain difference of both terms. Cepek 12:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Difference with Geoinformatics

Hi, I'm coming from the French wikipedia where there is a discussion [1] about the difference between Geomatics and Geoinformatics. Could someone explain the difference ? Or is the a duplicate article ? Thanx in advance for any answer :o) --Piksou 09:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I think geomatics is the modern term of all sciences about the Earth, including geoinformatics. For example, geomatics include geodesy. At the same time, geoinformatics and geodesy is terms of one level.

APh 07:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

My take on it is similar; geomatics is more general and therefore more encompassing than geoinformatics. I believe the latter has a more descrete meaning in terms of application. That meaning being the use of ancillary information relationally-linked to geospatial location, rather than the intrinsic properties of a location.JasonAtFollow-Me (talk) 04:57, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

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Geomatics is not a new term and was formerly known as surveying or land surveying but has now grown to encompass a discipline which integrates acquisition, modeling, analysis, and management of geo-spatial reference data. Based on the scientific framework of geodesy, it uses terrestrial, marine, airborne, satellite-based sensors, and measurement systems and technologies to acquire spatial and other data. Geomatics includes the process of transforming spatially referenced data from different sources into common information systems which have well-defined accuracy characteristics. Dan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.28.114.33 (talk) 23:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

"Geomatics is considered a branch of geography." I am a bit uneasy with that. I come from Geodesy or land surveying, and "we" always considered us an engineering discipline, and this does not fit really together with Geography. Chris

From my standpoint, I'd say that the situation is just the opposite: Geodesy is one of the disciplines that is taken into account by Geomatics. Michel.

I don't know how binary the choice is, but it is much more engineering than geography. Geography mostly falls under humanities, I really don't think Geomatics does. Disco (talk) 00:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal

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The result was Not to merge into Geomatics engineering. -- Happysailor ^(Talk) 22:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Geomatics engineering seems to be the same thing, especially as the definition given on this page is a definition of geomatics engineering. Vsmith (talk) 20:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't really like the suggestion as there is a need for the "Geomatics enginnering" article from an academic point of view, see for instance the article on Bachelor of Engineering that presents multiple other fields in the same manner. --MoRsE (talk) 20:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I like the suggestion. Geomatics is Geomatic Engineering. The difference is only a debate of qualifications. Like saying that you should have a seperate page for medicine and medicine administered by doctors. Hmmm, well that's my best effort as an analogy, but I am for the proposed merge. Disco (talk) 01:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I am very disinterested, even downright opposed, to applying an "engineering" context to any of the practices within geomatics. Science is science, and geomatics is just that. I'd lean more towards the practical application of geomatics principles being an "ology" than "eering" -- describing those efforts as a study is my preference.JasonAtFollow-Me (talk) 04:57, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Geomatics is not an engineering discipline this would make it too narrow. Engineering is generally considered the application of some sciences primarily physical science. Geomatics is yet another application of some sciences, primarily earth sciences like Geodesy and Geospatial measurement (surveying and photgrammetry)/data-Geographic Information Systems(GIS)and it addresses primarily geospatial measurements and data associated with the earth as a whole as well as in parts/regions. If your review the following websites: National Geodetic Survey, US Geological Survey, and Ohio State Universities graduate studies program in Geodesy (http://geodesy.geology.ohio-state.edu/). These sources should help us define Geomatics a little better. So basically Geomatics is a discipline which encompasses Geodesy and Geodetic sciences, like Surveying, GIS/mapping, Cartography, Photgrammetry, and some parts of Geography and Civil Engineering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.28.114.33 (talk) 23:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

GEOMATICS AS WE ALL KNOW it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.155.49.179 (talk) 17:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

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also known as geomatics engineering

If it is also known as such, the two article should be merged. If not, the lead needs to be rewritten; currently it is confusing on the difference between geomatics and geomatics engineering. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 20:35, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Geomatics or surveying?

I am in land surveying and have done some civil design, and I don't particularly agree that the term land surveying is outdated. In my opinion it can encompass whatever is implied as a whole, and geomatics would be a mathematical term referring to the relationship between this discipline and other ones as they exist within and around other areas within mathematics. As long as the land surveying article is not cannibalized by this one I have no major problem with how this page exists now even if I would dispute some of the assertions (I admit this is an argument gaining in momentum, in my opinion erroneously mainly for the reason given above).--JLavigne508 (talk) 18:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Merge proposal2

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The result of this discussion was merge with three merge and one keep. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Following up on a previous merge proposal with the page Geomatics engineering. I believe geomatics engineering should be merged into geomatics and converted into a redirect. This is because the topics have tremendous overlap, and are borderline duplicate. It can be as simple as one or two sentences that say, "Some institutions have departments or degrees for applied geomatics that use the title of geomatics engineering". We can then include the two or three sources from the geomatics engineering page to improve verification of this one. If this merge fails, geomatics engineering needs a major overhaul. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 22:31, 11 December 2023 (UTC) @Happysailor, Piotrus, DrDisco, Vsmith, Franked2004, MoRsE, JasonAtFollow-Me, Vidhya lakshmi, and Cepek:

Merge I'm inclined to agree with the merge proposal, largely for the reasons outlined in the original post and the resply to @Franked2004 below. Arcendeight (talk) 18:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

@Happysailor:, @GeogSage:, Before making a perception, please view the current article recently made after a huge copy editing and data addition. I don't feel geomatics can address geomatics engineering similar as computer can't address computer engineering. I hope looking to solution shall be benifitial to termination for whole the wiki and wiki community. Stay positive, regards!Franked2004 (talk) 18:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for taking the time to add citations and copy edit the page. I do apricate the effort even if I still disagree on organization. An example of why can be found on the geomatics engineering page, with the link to Surveying engineering being a redirect to the geomatics engineering page. Survey engineering is Definity something that is quite old, however, it does not have a page. Instead, there is an extensive page on surveying that has a section titled "profession." I'm aware you know this, as you recently changed the "see also" section for this part of the page from geomatics to geomatics engineering here. Geomatics engineering is mentioned on the geomatics page. Both pages need overhaul, and a redirect to the main geomatics page for geomatics engineering with a section on geomatics professionals that includes geomatics engineering would be similar to how other pages are organized.

The past several decades have seen geography sliced into a multitude of sub-disciplines as they attempt to specialize. It's really odd, but seems to come from misconceptions about how broad geography actually is, both now and historically. Splitting geomatics into geomatics engineering is just splitting that sub-sub-discipline further. Others seem to invent a word before checking to see if one exists already, as is the case for most of these rebrandings like geospatial engineering. One thing I'd like to note is that there are no sources that state geospatial engineering is a sub field of geomatics engineering, as listed on the geomatics engineering page. The main reason I point this out is that someone with a military background in geospatial engineering could make an equally strong case for a page on that topic that is separate from geomatics entirely. The military historically used the term "Topographic engineer," which is quite prominent in the military history literature. This is also, without a page, and redircts to Topography. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:41, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I respect your opinion equally. I hope much of our concept have been clear here and we should welcome fellow other editors to comment and i hope you may invite some even now. Regarding your concern, surveying engineering is currently called as geomatics engineering with various chances and addition is mentioned in new article, Geomatics engineering. And if geomatics engineering is branch of branch, I see articles on structural engineering, transportation engineering and many others which themselves are branch of civil engineering. Surprisingly, there is also an article on Highway engineering which is further a branch of Transportation engineering. To complete i must say mechanical and civil engineering are somehow application of physics (specially mechanics). So, you can't call engineering is branch of branch. Engineering is application of certain concept or subject. To conclude i should make clear Tribhuvan University which has several record runs geospatial engineering as sub domain of geomatics engineering.[2] Franked2004 (talk) 14:23, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Comment Requested opinion of additional editors from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_article_mergers#Merge_requests GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Support - Merging makes sense to me for the same reasons as @Arcendeight Choucas Bleu (T·C) 15:44, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep @GeogSage:, I am the one who revived this article. Yes as an engineering student I feel geomatics engineering in itself is a vast idea and this article needs development for which I asked helped in concerned wiki projects. I welcome if you can make any contribution. An application of science, geomatics engineering covers a huge domain in today's world. Why to redirect a vast ground article to a topic called Geomatics which in itself is unknown to many? I recommend removing the section engineering from this article or keep main article template.Franked2004 (talk)

Comment @Franked2004:, the page forgeomatics engineering is seriously lacking in sources, as is the page for geomatics in general. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and I don't see a source that indicates geomatics engineering is anything more then applied geomatics with some sort of certificate. Geographic Information Science, geoinformatics, geomatics, topographic engineer, Geospatial engineer, etc. are all terms that exist within the literature and have tremendous overlap. The source you cited for geomatic engineering being established in the military doesn't use the term at all, but instead uses "geospatial engineer." Should a page be created for that term as well? There are countless terms that exist to describe this exact job, and many people have their own preference. All of these jobs are geography, but for some reason people are highly resistant to the idea that they fall under that umbrella (this has been going on for a bit over a century to geographers, when someone thinks they can appropriate a part of the discipline, slap a new label on it, and pretend it is both new and unique from geography). I suggest you start by finding a few peer reviewed sources on Google Scholar that defines the difference between geomatics and geomatic engineering. Otherwise, I can't see a reason they should be separated.