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Requested move 5 November 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Colonestarrice (talk) 22:32, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General Education (film) → General Education – Removing unneeded disambiguation {{u|Sdkb}} talk 18:30, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose General Education should be a disambiguation page / set index. WP:ASTONISH; there are several proper nouns that could be referred to thusly. Like the Ministry of General Education -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 18:51, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think anyone searching for "General education" could reasonably expect to get the ministry page. If they wanted the ministry rather than the thing the ministry was named after, they'd have searched for the ministry. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:42, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Ministries and departments are frequently shorn of the "ministry" part. Similarly with Journal of General Education, where journals are frequently shorn of the "journal" part. As I said there are multiple proper noun topics that General Education could be. There should be disambiguation page -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 00:24, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Neither of the articles have "General Education" as a bolded term. That fact that a "Journal of General Education" might hypothetically shorten its name in practical use doesn't respond to the fact that this one doesn't (it seems to use "JGE" instead). {{u|Sdkb}} talk 00:27, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The old disambiguation page listed secondary education as a target. A complete general education would be primary and secondary education, so there are other topics non-proper-noun targets besides the current lowercase target. -- 64.229.90.53 (talk) 00:27, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Curriculum currently covers all educational levels. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 00:28, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose General education redirects to curriculum, do we need a disambiguation page. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:58, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note sdkb nominated General Education at RfD, but I have procedurally closed that discussion in favour of this one. Thryduulf (talk) 21:00, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note General education was a disambiguation page until boldly redirected to Curriculum by sdkb yesterday. Thryduulf (talk) 21:00, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Apologies for the procedural complexity; it got stuck in multiple places. Basically, I think the primary topic of the term "general education" is the sense related to curriculum, since that's what everything else is named after. The first two definitions at the old dab page—1. Secondary education 2. A basic coursework program for post-secondary schools (see curriculum), i.e. university, college, etc.—were both this. Someone could probably write an article on general education (we have several articles on specific core curricula at e.g. Columbia), but that's for the future. The only other definition was the film. General Education (capitalized) could go either to the film or to curriculum, each with a hatnote. I don't think Journal of General Education, which was a see also, needs to come into this or appear as a hatnote, since the name has "journal" very clearly in it and I don't think anyone who searched "general education" could reasonably expect the journal. So unless there are other works titled "General Education", I don't see a need for a dab page. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: While I liked this proposal initially, having two General Education pages with only a difference in capitalization may conflict with each other. I recommend deleting General Education (uppercase) per WP:2R, and converting General education (lowercase) into a disambiguation page. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 21:47, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @CJDOS, I argued in my comment immediately above that there is a clear primary topic, and that only one hatnote that we know of would be required at that topic. Why is a full disambiguation page necessary? (And even if one is necessary, it should be at General education (disambiguation) with the primary topic going to curriculum (and in the future the article on general education). {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:51, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    True, with just the two pages off the top of my head populating a disambiguation page, hatnotes might be more appropriate unless more pages could populate the disambiguation page. I'm not keen on hatnote at the moment, however: I had recently linked two exactly same film titles by hatnote (differing in their release year and the plot), but those edits were reverted (continue on my Talk page if you'd like). I'm not opposed to your hatnote suggestion, and would go along with it. — CJDOS, Sheridan, OR (talk) 22:17, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:DIFFCAPS, especially given that "General Education" (with or without the caps) strikes me as a very unlikely search term for someone to use when looking for information about curriculum (or any other topic that's not the movie). Colin M (talk) 03:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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