Talk:Gaming the system

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"a system of governance of public services that combined targets with an element of terror. This has obvious parallels with the Soviet regime" What is this nonsense doing on Wikipedia? New Labour Britain does provide several excellent examples of "Gaming the System", especially with respect to education and public healthcare. This 'example', however is incredibly emotively written ("an element of terror") and the comparison between the 00s government of Britain and the Soviet Union is absurd. Also, for the record, there is no central government for England - just for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as well as the devolved governments of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.83.129 (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

rules lawyer

This ought to be merged with rules lawyer. Kennercat (talk) 04:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The two don't really have anything in common. Gronky (talk) 03:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

not only about politics

can be used in all sorts of contexts--Penbat (talk) 16:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NCLB

I've removed the NCLB section again. The article on "gaming the system" should be kept relatively free from long (and potentially non-neutral) examples. Otherwise we end up with a short paragraph about the phrase followed by dozens of examples. The appropriate place for a summary of gaming the system in NCLB is in the NCLB article (or a related article), just as gaming the system in legislative maneuvers in the US congress doesn't belong here or any number of other examples. Protonk (talk) 21:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We now currently have no examples. Examples are very useful. How lengthy and detailed an example is, is a secondary point. What might have been done in the NCLB case is to just have a sentence here and then a link to No_Child_Left_Behind_Act#.22Gaming.22_the_system but as No_Child_Left_Behind_Act#.22Gaming.22_the_system only has 3 sentences on the subject of gaming the system it hardly seems worth it except to link to No Child Left Behind Act as a whole and duplicate all three sentences here. There is nothing non-neutral about it anyway. I have seen several academic papers (some listed in the Further reading) that identify gaming the system relating to school grades. Also No_Child_Left_Behind_Act#.22Gaming.22_the_system is supported by two citations.--Penbat (talk) 10:37, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not contesting the factual support for "gaming the system" (at multiple levels) in NCLB. There are two citations in the article currently but we could have dozens. What I'm contesting is the relative weight this example has in a short article about a term. Now anyone who searches for "gaming the system" will find a short definition and a long (potentially NPOV in context) example about US education policy. Second, there is no reason for "gaming the system" to have an example on the NCLB. As I said above this content is covered in the NCLB article (and frankly could even be broken into its own article) and doesn't belong here. Protonk (talk) 16:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You are missing the point. It is just a stepping stone to a potential big expansion to the article after which the NCLB example will not be disproportionate. User:Jacobisq has started doing work on this with maybe more to come. I think there is a lot of potential to greatly increase the size of the article. I have also added a list of further reading.--Penbat (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Other examples

I dont have any refs for these at present but other obvious examples are:

  • parents who fake an interest in religion so their children can qualify for entry into a faith school that has a history of good grades
  • companies using redundancy procedures to eliminate bully victims or whistleblowers.
  • NHS dentists telling patients that some NHS work (such as root canal or hygienist work) can only be done privately at much greater cost.

--Penbat (talk) 10:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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What was the first documented usage?

Eh? I see where it says when it was, but what was the context? what happened? That section needs expanded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.79.191.7 (talk) 17:29, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Look up gaming the system in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

less the gaps imhoBaymiwuk (talk)

Void term?

This world seems basically a placeholder word for anything that can fall under a "fraud" — Preceding unsigned comment added by OjuzKiopo (talk • contribs) 10:52, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The most common forms are missing.

The vast majority of people will have encountered gaming of citizenship and entry to countries, and the exploitation of the welfare system. In my country most universities have 50%+ of their holdings in China, and offer student visas with promise that it will lead to a path to citizenship. The study is irrelevant, any degree is a pathway, so it is sold as a way to buy citizenship rather than a way to offer learning to other nations people and was always designed this way because it's more profitable for universities than selling education is. This has been going on for at least two decades I am aware of.

Further, another big gaming of the system here is religious polygamy, in a quarter of a century we have gone from 100% one ethnic group to 37% of the original ethnic group. The vast majority of migrants are from asia and the middle east where Islam is prevalent. Because polygamy is not legally recognized it means that their additional wives are 'single mothers' and get given a house, a wage, and a stipend of support for each child. The husband then has a petty fiefdom where he has a half dozen homes he can bounce between.

In many instances they will just buy one big house, but then use the additional four or five homes as rental properties bringing in $500-800 a week per house ($17200 per month, on top of each wife getting $38,000, and each child getting $12,000 per year in support payments). So a man with say 4 wives with 5 children with each wife will be getting $430,000, renting out his free houses will be bringing in about $825,600, or $1,255,600 per year from the tax payer. The average wage of a working man in my country who works six days a week 12 hour days is about $28,000 or double that if you've got a college degree. So using this system they earn the equivalent of 44 mens wages. Or the 100% of the tax contributions of 119 mens hard work. This leads to much civil disdain when people lob up from safe countries pretending they're fleeing war then end up driving a brand new merc or BMW their first year landing while natives are grinding away just trying to survive. 2001:8003:2998:5100:50FD:2CD8:8930:2A5B (talk) 03:12, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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