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Section size for Feminist views on transgender topics (44 sections)
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(Top)	4,517	4,517
History	12	25,923
1700s to early 1900s	5,697	5,697
Second wave (1970s–1980s)	12,828	12,828
Third wave (1990–2000s)	5,000	5,000
Fourth wave (2010–present)	2,386	2,386
General perspectives on transgender rights	9,621	9,621
Particular topics	22	34,532
Colonialism	2,690	2,690
Legal codification of gender	2,162	2,162
Sex reassignment surgery	6,088	6,088
Socialization and experience	9,306	9,306
Transgender women in women's spaces and organizations	7,804	7,804
Transfeminism	3,057	3,057
Cyberfeminism and xenofeminism	3,403	3,403
Gender-critical feminism and trans-exclusionary radical feminism	30,021	39,999
Relations with conservatives	9,978	9,978
By country or region	28	84,220
International organisations	2,889	2,889
Africa	439	439
Central America	24	5,862
Argentina	5,838	5,838
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Canada	7,890	7,890
United States	9,067	9,067
Mexico	1,526	1,526
Asia	13	4,455
South Korea	4,442	4,442
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Denmark	799	799
France	3,291	3,291
Germany	1,066	1,066
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Italy	995	995
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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

Bettcher, Talia Mae (2016). "Intersexuality, Transgender, and Transsexuality". In Disch, Lisa; Hawkesworth, Mary (eds.). The Oxford Handbook of Feminist Theory. Oxford University Press. pp. 407–427. doi:10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199328581.013.21. ISBN 978-0-1993-2858-1.
Cross, Katherine (2022). "Trans Women and the Invisible Sisterhood". In Carian, Emily K.; DiBranco, Alex; Ebin, Chelsea (eds.). Male Supremacism in the United States: From Patriarchal Traditionalism to Misogynist Incels and the Alt-Right. Abingdon, England: Routledge. doi:10.4324/9781003164722. ISBN 978-1-0005-7622-1.
Ferber, Alona (December 1, 2022). "How the UK's only feminist party came out in favour of gender self-ID". The New Statesman.

Missing section on "First wave feminism"

There is a gap between "early 1900s" and "Second wave (1970s–1980s)" that omits people like de Beauvoir. There should be a section on "First wave". I am not knowledgeable about it, but the gap is obvious. Zaslav (talk) 23:36, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Opening line

Having read various parts of this article the opening line of "feminist views on transgender topics vary widely" seems to be providing WP: FALSEBALANCE to this article. This is because the main article seems to provide the viewpoint that for most countries the vast majority of feminists and feminist organisations seem to be very supportive of trans people and transgender rights. LunaHasArrived (talk) 15:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree. If someone said, "the income of Americans varies widely", I would take that as a true, and unsurprising statement. It just means some people are very poor and some are very rich. It doesn't say anything about income distribution. If they followed that up with, "the fifty richest Americans are as wealthy as the poorest 165 million",^[1] that wouldn't surprise me, either; income is not spread evenly among the populace. And neither are the opinions of feminists on trans topics. That said, if you find the opening line misleading (which I don't) and you wanted to add something like, "... but tends to be supportive", or "... but is supported by the majority", or "... but has overwhelming support", I would have no objection, as long as whatever you add is supported by a more detailed treatment in the body of the article, and is well sourced. Mathglot (talk) 05:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Feminist views on transgender topics

Missing section on "First wave feminism"

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