Talk:Ewige Blumenkraft

is it Schlangekraft after all?

This edit by User:62.47.213.132 should be checked. Capitalizing "schangekraft" and inserting an 'l' was correct; those were just typos, but I'm not sure whether replacing "Schlangekraft" (which is incorrect in German) by "Schlangenkraft" (which is the correct German form) was warranted -- I had considered making this change myself, but didn't when I "searched inside" The Widow's Son (The Historical Illuminatus Chronicles) by Robert A. Wilson at amazon.com and found, on p. 135:

"Ewige Blumenkraft," Cagliostro said.

"Und ewige Schlangekraft," Weishaupt concluded.

It seems that at least in that book Wilson really did use the incorrect form. There is apparently also a publishing company called "Schlangekraft" without the 'n'. So I think someone who knows where to find this in Illuminatus! (I don't have the book) needs to check this. Joriki 05:36, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vetch 08:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC) It depends on what you prefer: the incorrect "Schlangekraft" from the book, or the correct German word "Schlagenkraft". I personally prefer the latter. "Schlangekraft" is just plain wrong.[reply]

Wrong it may be, but if you change it you aren't referring to the word used in the book, and the article is inaccurate. Surely we shouls use both, and make note of the probable mistake? 86.130.7.122 23:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Colbert!

He used the phrase tonight on The Colbert Report. The Benjamin Fulford/pizza/Illuminati thing reminds me of the Kenneth Lamar Noid/pizza/Illuminati thing. Шизомби 04:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other occurrences

Jim Marrs references this phrase in his book RULE BY SECRECY (2000) and associates it with the German (Bavarian) Illuminati group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.129.13.127 (talk) 19:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It can also be found in the Principia Discordia, An Insider's Guide to Robert Anton Wilson by Eric Wagner, and The Illuminati Papers, Everything Is Under Control: Conspiracies, Cults, and Cover-ups, and The Widow's Son all by Wilson. Since this article doesn't have much to grow on, something could be added about these, if people have them. Шизомби (talk) 14:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Der Ewige Jude

There is a seeming parallel with "Der Ewige Jude", the Wandering Jew of Christian mythology, cursed forever to walk the earth until the second coming of Jesus. Such may be the fate of the rebellion of peace, cursed ever to survive for lack of the confidence of belief needed to triumph and pass into history - until that day. But is it possible to infer this simply from "Ewige XXX", given the familiarity of the former phrase? Wnt (talk) 05:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inferring a connection would be original research. I don't see the parallel, but maybe you could find somewhere where Wilson or Shea made it explicitly. Шизомби (talk) 19:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sub rosa

It may also be a reference to sub rosa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.247.112.119 (talk) 14:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]