Talk:Discrimination against asexual people

Aphobia

Similar to the comment above, aphobia does not only affect asexuals, but also (and, sometimes, more) aromantics, and other aspecs (and orientations under those umbrellas). Discrimination against only asexuals is called acephobia or acemisia. https://medium.com/the-science-scholar/opinion-amatonormativity-the-damaging-pedestal-of-romantic-love-d70cc0585b0f ("aphobia (discrimination against aromantic and asexual people)")

www.ourspectrum.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/What-is-Aphobia.pdf

Compulsory Sexuality and Amatonormativity in Higher Education: A Photovoice Study with Asexual and Aromantic Students, Stucki 2018 "aphobia (aversion to asexual and aromantic people as a social group or as individuals, similar concept to homophobia)"

https://www.asexuality-handbook.com/glossary (aphobia (also called a-phobia): n. Hatred or discrimination directed towards a-spectrum people on account of their placement on said spectrum. Acephobia and arophobia are kinds of aphobia.) Aromantic Frogge (talk) 14:41, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree, the question is - should this whole article be moved into Aphobia and cover both Acephobia as well as Arophobia or should Aphobia become a disambiguation page and a separate page be created for Arophobia. I feel that given that many of the issues around aphobia are shared between asexual and aromantic people, maybe renaming this page into Discrimination against a-spec (Asexual & Aromantic) people might be the most appropriate course of action. Raladic (talk) 22:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

I separated them out now into a new page Discrimination against aspec (aromantic or asexual) people and added an explainer on this page linking to aphobia as is not only directed against asexual, but against all aspec people, aromantic and asexual people alike. Raladic (talk) 21:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Follow-follow up after discussion with @Alalch E. on the now deleted page I had briefly created, so that the context is persisted here (since that talk page went with the deletion) - We made Aphobia a Disambiguation page linking to here for Acephobia and to Aromanticism for Arophobia.

And added reference to the disambiguation page to the top of this article using the For template. Raladic (talk) 05:09, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Alalch E. and @Niceguyedc - I saw you just edited the hatnotes again and removed the disambiguation that clarifies that Aphobia is not exclusive to Asexual people.

This is an important disambiguation as Aromantic people are experiencing regular erasure such as this by some of the asexual community trying to appropriate the term aphobia as synonym for acephobia, when it is not, but covers discrimination and erasure of aspec (aromantic and asexual) people alike.

Ideally, we'd really have a full article that is neutral-centered to explain Aphobia and the shared discrimination (and predominantly erasure) that happens to aspec people at large, or for now at least, please keep it clear with the disambiguation term as a start to help until we have such a complete Aphobia article. Raladic (talk) 18:06, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying. But how about this: Special:Diff/1147576398? —Alalch E. 21:21, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, the new hat note is good now. Raladic (talk) 03:34, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

WP:POV issue

"Sherronda J. Brown of Wear Your Voice stated that some people who oppose the inclusion of asexual people in the LGBT community have been known to argue that asexuals are not discriminated against at all, and that asexual people experience straight privilege. Brown criticized this view as erasing the asexual identity on the assumption that asexual people are fraudulent infiltrators of the LGBT community, and because it assumes that everyone is straight unless proven otherwise." The piece referenced here is an obvious opinion piece from a, frankly, non-notable figure. Infact, half of, if not most of the articles referenced on this article are fairly blatant opinion pieces with an axe to grind against "Allosexual" LGBT people. Tdmurlock (talk) 10:05, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tdmurlock: I would say the POV issue here is yourself in regards to asexuality and Wikipedia. On your Talk page, you've been warned over edits that show you have your own axe to grind when editing articles about asexuality; including removing the Categories "Asexuality" and "Pansexuality" from the article LGBT – as the editor who commented on your edits stated, in contradiction to the reliable sources used on that article. You stated it was a technicality about the table being titled LGBT and not LGBTQIA or LGBTQIA+, but I think I'm right in reading this as a bad faith response you yourself wouldn't believe.

I've been through the sources of this article; they don't read as opinion pieces for the most part. There's an article in Gay Star News speaking to someone who works with AVEN; there's an article speaking with the head of the Asexual Aromantic Alliance; the VICE piece is an opinion piece, I'll give you that, but the piece after it isn't, as it gives sources throughout; the comicsverse source is also an opinion piece, which I think could probably go, and the HuffPo blog post I don't think we count as reliable anymore either; however the source after that is a dissertation, the one after that a book, and so on. Throughout there are sources from academic journals on discrimination against asexual folk, and reliable news pieces on the same issue as well.

Though there are a few opinion pieces in the sources listed, it's not enough to discredit the entire premise of this article by a long shot.

I think your point isn't that these are opinion pieces – an opinion piece is the author alone giving their own view, whereas most of these are news articles featuring interviews and other sources – it's that they feature views you don't think are valid.

You've been given an introduction to contentious topics, which I strongly suggest you read, as a new editor jumping in to right great wrongs is unlikely to be taken well, particularly when they're unsupported edits that show a heavy bias against the current consensus of a well-sourced article. Please read the guidelines on editing contentious topics and take them to heart.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 16:31, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit to add: you've also removed the LGBT category from other articles to do with asexuality, such as Yasmin Benoit, and seem to have a preoccupation with divorcing asexuality and the LGBT umbrella. As such, I don't think the suggestion that this article is poorly-sourced is worth listening to. Please keep in mind that further tendentious editing like this may result in a temporary or permanent ban from Wikipedia.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 18:19, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

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