Talk:Deschooling Society
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I have noted that
*Illich, Ivan, Deschooling Society, Reactor-Core, retrieved 2008-05-26. *** no longer accessible*** attempted 2008-08-21
(MihalOrela (talk) 12:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC))
Possible POV issues
Some passages that seem somewhat POV:
- It is a critical discourse on education as practised in "modern" economies.
- Full of detail on programs and concerns, the book's assertions remain as radical today as they were at the time.
- The book is more than a critique -- it contains suggestions for changes to learning in society and individual lifetimes.
- Preventing formal institutions from holding a monopoly over school and other information flows could have more effect on society. Schools are not (as commonly perceived) a 'dependent variable' within society. They are "the reproductive organ of a consumer society". As such, school has potential to change oppressive systems from within.
These sound like someone who is quite keen on promoting the book and it's philosophies - some may breach WP:PEACOCK and MOS:OPED.Autarch (talk) 20:14, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
It sounds more like an excerpt from the book itself (not that I've read it yet) Perhaps it should be labeled as a quote? 173.65.220.141 (talk) 22:31, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I have removed or substantially modified all but the first of the passages listed as possible POV issues. I see no problem with the remaining one. Any comments? Crisperdue (talk) 01:36, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, but
Yes the author has a point of view (all do!) and perhaps this comes across too much and the article could be improved. Until then, it is better than nothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.14.70 (talk) 12:39, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Agreed, it seems adequate, not perfect, but no one has felt strongly enough in nearly 3 years to edit the phrases cited as POV. I'm removing the tag. Enon (talk) 22:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Educational networks
Lawrence Cremin asserts that Illich has not thought through how his educational networks would work in the real world:
Illich would like to abandon schooling in favour of what he calls educational networks, but he does not deal with the inevitable impact of the media and the market on those networks.[1]
- ^ Terrence E. Deal, Robert R. Nolan, ed. (1978). "Chapter 16: The Free School Movement by Lawrence Cremin". Alternative schools: ideologies, realities, guidelines. Nelson-Hall. p. 207. ISBN 978-0-88229-383-7. Retrieved 4 June 2013.
This may be true, but per WP:BALANCE, opposing views should be described with appropriate weight given to each, drawing on appropriate secondary and tertiary sources. An article should not simply be a back-and-forth between critics and proponents. I've removed the text for now – any suggestions for appropriate sources that place this dispute in context would be welcome. See also WP:STRUCTURE. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 15:38, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
How large is the book?
I wanted to add this question as an update to the opening comment from 2008, but that's in the header of the Talk page and I can't get close to it. Ergo, this new section. I can confirm that the link cited there is dead. I had another link to the book online, but that one is dead, too. The link at the bottom of the Article for the external website is a 37-page document. The 4th footnote points to a document just over 80 pages on archive.org. Another version I dug up indicated 70 pages. A metasearch of local libraries turned up some translated versions over 200 pages. At this point I'm doubtful the original was even written in English and I can't tell if any of them are authentic... Maybe this 78-page online version is legit? http://www.davidtinapple.com/illich/1970_deschooling.html All in all, it feels like Wikipedia was not too helpful and it was about an hour that felt wasted. Shanen (talk) 20:23, 23 May 2020 (UTC)