Talk:Deir ed Darb

Jewish?

I find it strange that these ruins are identified as Jewish; the SWP-people mentioned nothing about that. In fact; the ruins look more typicallly Roman? And "Deir" means "monastery"? Comments? Huldra (talk) 23:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

Nice to meet you and thank you for your comments on the article. As you must be aware archeological research has advanced since 1873 and today archeological analysis is much more acurate than in the passt. Archeologist (Yeivin - 1972, Dar - late 70's, Raviv, Peleg Barkat - 2013) as i cited in the article, who studied the place have reached the conclusion it was a Jewish site, next to an ancient Jewish settlement.

Regarding your second question, i realized the cite i gave wasn't specific enough, so i added a cite to to exact page in the SWP where Palmer elaborates that "Deir" means "monastery". Owenglyndur (talk) 06:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply, and sorry for being late in replying (I am rather rarely on Wikipedia these days, sorry!)

My questioning is really why these researcher you mention thinks that it is Jewish? What particular structure do they find identifies this grave as Jewish -and not Roman? cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

As mentioned in the article the tomb is similar to other Jewish tombs found in the Land Of Israel and especialy Jerusalem. I updated the citations on the article and attached Dar's writings on the the area and site. Owenglyndur (talk) 11:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

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The facade of Deir ed Darb, a monumental Jewish tomb from the Second Temple period

• ... that Deir ed Darb, Arabic for "monastery of the road", is in fact a Jewish monumental tomb dating to the Second Temple period?

• Source: Raviv D., 2013, "Magnificent Tombs from the Second Temple Period in Western Samaria - New Insights", In the Highland's Depth - Ephraim Range and Binyamin Research Studies, Vol. 3, Ariel-Talmon ,pp. 109-142. (Hebrew); Peleg-Barkat, Orit; Raviv (2019). "שלושה פריטים ארכיטקטוניים מן התקופה הרומית הקדומה מאזור הכפר קרוות בני חסן" (PDF). במעבה ההר. 9: 43–58; Palmer, H (1881). "The survey of western Palestine". p. 228.

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Owenglyndur (talk) 13:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC).

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Overall: Mariamnei (talk) 11:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Mariamnei: Did you mean to post a "maybe" status (purple slash) instead of an "again" status (red arrow)? The again status is for DYK that need another new reviewer, while the slash is for indicating that there is a concern with the article/nomination. Z1720 (talk) 23:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720: Hey there! This DYK overall looks pretty good, but since it's my first time doing a DYK review, I thought it'd be better to get another view. What do you think? Mariamnei (talk) 18:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Mariamnei: Since you outlined some concerns above, I'll let the nominator, Owenglyndur, address them. Z1720 (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your comments and help to get the DYK right. I did not know i'm not allowed to copy some sentances from another Wikipedia article, especialy whemn it is so relevant for the article i wrote. I will not do it again in the future. Owenglyndur (talk) 07:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Owenglyndur:, thanks for explaining that! Awesome, I see the pic is up on the article too. Looks like we're good to go! Mariamnei (talk) 08:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

• Just a question; the article refers to a "Dar" ("Dar - late 70's", "in Dar's opinion", "led Dar to conclude that"), but I cannot find any reference to any "Dar"?, cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Also, it would have been nice to wikilink the SWP authors (Palmer, Conder, Kitchener) -and the page-links. Also; isn't the 3 and 7 references the same (except the page-no)? Why then is one marked in Hebrew, while the other is not? Also ref.3 has a red warning: "Cite journal requires journal=", cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)