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... that Ernest Hemingway broke a blackthorn cane over John O'Hara's head in Costello's, a New York City Irish bar?

Source: Batterberry, Michael; Batterberry, Ariane (1999) [First published 1973 by Scribner: New York]. On the Town in New York: The Landmark History of Eating, Drinking, and Entertainments from the American Revolution to the Food Revolution (25th anniversary special ed.). New York: Routledge. p. 275. ISBN 978-0-415-92020-9 – via Google Books; Bruccoli, Matthew J. (1995) [First published 1975]. The O'Hara Concern: A Biography of John O'Hara. University of Pittsburgh Press. p. 172. ISBN 978-0-8229-5559-7 – via Google Books.

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Created by Voorts (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

voorts (talk/contributions) 01:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

The article, being a Good Level article, is long enough and properly uses in-line citations. It was passed today, so is new enough for requirements. The hook is interesting and is nominally referenced, but I run across a problem with it and your second reference used. According to The O'Hara Concern, the interaction with Hemingway ended with "Hemingway took the bet and said, "Not only that, but I'm going to break it over my own head". So he didn't break the blackthorn staff over O'Hara's head, but his own. Perhaps you misunderstood the line just after where it said O'Hara was "painfully pounded", but that was referring to Hemingway pounding him on the back when he walked over. Silverseren^C 22:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Silver seren:: I believe The O'Hara Concern is the only source that tells the story that way. Every other source states that Hemingway broke the cane over O'Hara's head. I've moved that into a footnote. Thank you for bringing that up. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Okay, that looks good. And the QPQ has been done already. Everything's good to go! Silver seren^C 22:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative hook with added detail that adds more color to the story: ... that Ernest Hemingway broke a blackthorn cane over John O'Hara's head in Costello's, a New York City Irish bar, and that Costello's owner displayed the broken cane over the bar? The wording could probably use some workshopping. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Voorts, congrats on the GA. I know what you mean about there not being many images, I spent a long time last night looking. Some possibilities:

Marilyn Monroe picture: [1] or [2]: Covered under Fair use with commentary (WP:NFCI #9) from this NYT piece: "Costello's, 44th Street and Third Avenue -- Marilyn was introduced to Tom Costello's classic Irish saloon when Milton Green asked the photographer Ed Feingersh to make Marilyn look like more of a New Yorker. In response, Feingersh photographed her against the James Thurber doodles in a back booth."
John McNulty picture: [1]: published 1957, will almost certainly be in public domain (Copyright renewal in the United States). I can try verifying that it is if you like the picture.

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 21:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen the Monroe pictures. They're currently uploaded to Commons, and I tagged them for speedy deletion. I'm not sure if I can upload them here under a non-free license while they're still uploaded to Commons. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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