Talk:Common bottlenose dolphin

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This article duplicates part of Bottlenose Dolphin.

  • It was created by a user after I changed the taxobox there from species, Tursiops truncatus, to the genus Tursiops, but moving the article would probably been more polite. Perhaps I should have created a new article on the genus.
  • The other species mentioned in the article, Tursiops aduncus, is currently duplicated at articles under the common names Indo-Pacific Bottlenose Dolphins and the earlier Indo-Pacific Bottlenose Dolphin. There is a merge discussion at the latter's talk page.
  • This has produced GFDL issues and is yet to clarify and explain the currently accepted taxonomy, for example the species names above still redirect to the [now] genus page.
  • The common name in this article is not supported by its reference,
{{Taxobox
| name = Common Bottlenose Dolphin[1] ...

which says:

SPECIES Tursiops truncatus

Author: Montagu, 1821. Citation: Mem. Wernerian Nat. Hist. Soc., 3: 75, pl. 3.

Common Name: Bottlenose Dolphin

Tursiops truncatus

  • The source does not bother to give a common name for Tursiops, or can't, but does make the useful comment: Two species are provisionally recognized in this highly polymorphic genus. The entry on second species gives the common name Indo-Pacific Bottlenose Dolphin, there are no doubt many others. The site makes no claim to be definitive about these specious names, of which it only gives one of many, it is concerned with the authoritative, reliably sourced, unique, and verifiable names. Good for them, and everyone else. I wonder why we are out of step with the rest of the world on this? cygnis insignis 02:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • You were correct to leave the "Bottlenose Dolphin" as is. That article does cover the genus Tursiops, including Tursiops truncatus, Tursiops aduncus and two other possible species, and allows room to cover additional species as they are described. But as that left the encyclopedia without an article on Tursiops truncatus, I created this one. Of course, it dupicates much of what is in the Tursiops article, since most of what we know about Tursiops is from the species still currently described as Tursiops truncatus. I have reduced a little bit of the duplication, and I am sure the duplication will continue to reduce as both articles are edited over time, and as new information emerges, such as updated taxonomy information.
    • I changed the common name reference. That common name is widely used. In addition to the two sources I now cite, it is also used by the Audobon Guide and by IUCN, among others. Rlendog (talk) 03:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think I fixed the linking and redirect issues you mention.Rlendog (talk) 03:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then you read and understood the rationale in my edit summary, cheers. My later concern is founded on GFDL and Splitting which states: To conform with §4(I) of the GFDL, the new page should be created with an edit summary noting "split content from article name". (Do not omit this step or omit the page name.) . It is common mistake, and I mean no slight against editors who are merely trying to improve things, but I think that the edit history would have been contributions intended for the species article (as per its previous taxobox) and not the genus. If I had my 'drathers I would move it here and split the generic info to another title.
  • Good one. Yes it is. I have no doubt it this common name is the most widely used, though not as commonly used as Tursiops truncatus, the problem is a variant that is also used Bottlenosed Dolphin. ITIS names both, eol actually uses both in the same article. I know this appears to appears to be a 'nice distinction', but I can show examples where the slight difference can refer to species in different orders. Common Bottlenose Dolphin is not as common as Bottlenose Dolphin, in the refs I quickly reviewed or in our article. It would not be suffered in biological nomenclature. Secondly, and more importantly, to what rank does the common name refer. It previously referred to a monotypic genus, including the species now(!) described under the name Tursiops aduncus; what will we elect to call the future subspecies article Tursiops truncatus truncatus?
  • As a reader of wikipedia, and as an editor, you have my gratitude for your contributions to the improvement of these articles. The Cetacean/whale/dolphin complex of articles need these well intentioned contributions. cygnis insignis 15:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the compliment. With respect to the first point, I am somewhat familar with the recent edit history of Bottlenose Dolphin, since I edited it extensively to return it to GA status. But one issue I had to deal with was the fact that although it was largely a T. truncatus article, it did need to deal with the other species. And to some extent, a lot of what we know about Tursiops, including information in that article, is based on studies of the animals that were was once considered T. truncatus but are now likely considered to be T. aduncus, esp. in Australia. So, because of the recent and ongoing taxonomic changes and studies, the fact is that we do not really know how much of the information we have on bottlenose dolphins is really T. truncatus and how much is really other species, including but probably not lmiited to T. aduncus. I tried to sidestep the issue in my original reply to Jack on the Bottlenose Dolphin talk page, but when you revised that page to be the genus page, I realized that you (and Jack) were really correct. We have a lot of information on Tursiops, but not nearly as much as we think on T. truncatus specifically, and so the Bottlenose Dolphin page really is a genus page, and a separate T. truncatus page is necessary (and we will probably need more such pages as the taxonomy gets resolved - right now this page should be accurate for what is now known as T. truncatus but as new species are split that may change). Rlendog (talk) 15:55, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Mead, J. G.; Brownell, R. L. Jr. (2005). "Order Cetacea". In Wilson, D. E.; Reeder, D. M. (eds.). Mammal Species of the World: A Taxonomic and Geographic Reference (3rd ed.). Johns Hopkins University Press. pp. 723–743. ISBN 978-0-8018-8221-0. OCLC 62265494.

Move?

Resolved
 – No consensus for such a confusing move idea.

Not really sure what the consensus is but this page may be better off at Bottlenose Dolphin if the genus page is moved to Bottlenose dolphin, most of the sources seem to point to Tursiops truncatus having the common name of Bottlenose Dolphin. Cheers, Jack (talk) 14:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mean to be impolite, but are you serious? cygnis insignis 15:16, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Many sources predate the T. aduncus split, so for a long time T. truncatus was the only bottlenose dolphin species. Many references (admittedly not MSW3 though) developed after the T. aduncus split use "Common Bottlenose Dolphin" for T. aduncus, including the Encyclopedia or Marine Mammals, the Princeton Guide, The Audobon Guide (among those I quickly went though last night), and IUCN also refers to it. Since Tursiops clearly refers to the genus of "bottlnose dolphins", at least as of now, it would be confusing to have both the genus and the species have the same name with just different capitalization for such a popular animal just to be consistent with the MSW3 common name in this case, especially since an altenrative common name is widely used by reliable sources. Rlendog (talk) 15:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) The online sources (MSW3, IUCN) say the common name for Tursiops truncatus is Bottlenose Dolphin right? Although I can't access the referenced books, WP:CETA links the following sources: CRRU Taxonomy American Cetacean Society. CITES uses the common names Bottlenose Dolphin; Bottle-nosed Dolphin; Short-beaked Bottlenose Dolphin [1]. See Bottlenose Dolphin#Requested move (2) for reasons why the genus should not be capitalised while the species should be (I'm sure you've heard the arguments before though!). Cheers, Jack (talk) 15:55, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay I see what you're saying Rlendog, I was just putting it out there to see what people thought cause I know that's how WP:MAM has done it in the past. Understandable that it would be confusing, however the genus should still be moved to Bottlenose dolphin. Cheers, Jack (talk) 15:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict):::I agree with you on the capitalization of "bottlenose dolphin", but I don't think we should have the same name (barring caps) for both the genus and the species if we can reasonably avoid it. And I think we can reasonably avoid it here, and thus avoid resulting confusion. Although from your latest post, we seem to be in agreement. Rlendog (talk) 15:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The move would be consistent with the way several other mammal genus/species articles are titled when the same name is unavoidable. However, in those situations, there are not any reasonable alternatives. Since other reputable sources use "Common", it can be reasonably avoided here. I added a hatnote to the genus and species page clarifying (hopefully) the difference so a reader can find the page they were looking for. I also added the alternate name in the lede of this page. Rgrds. --Tombstone (talk) 01:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
... when the same name is unavoidable. Biological nomenclature has been systematically avoiding this for over 250 years. cygnis insignis 17:43, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does this type of dolphin have self-awareness?

According to a programme I saw on BBC Four on Saint George's Day 2013, this type of dolphin may have self-awareness - what the presenter referred to as "existential intelligence". If any one knows anything about this and knows of some research done into this issue, it could be put in the article. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've read that the intelligence of dolphins has been downgraded significantly since the research into their possible use of language kept running into dead ends in the 60s and 70s. If I recall, their intelligence is considered about equal to that of wolves - intelligent animals, but not self-aware or language using. Resistance is Character-Forming (talk) 21:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@ACEOREVIVED and Resistence is Character-Forming: It's already in Cetacean intelligence#Self-awareness (which I didn't check but should be linked from this article). LjL (talk) 22:09, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

dolphins

  Bottle nosed dolphins are very common to see in the Atlantic Ocean and other parts of the world. They are very intelligent animals and are rarely seen out in the open. Though these creatures are intelligent they  will attack you if you mess with there loved ones. The United States Navy has  been training them to locate sea mines.
                                                       
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Tião

The text on this page refers to a female dolphin, while the linked article on Tião refers to a male dolphin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.66.238.27 (talk) 14:44, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Buen provecho para todos!

New report

Split of Tursiops truncatus proposed

A new Tursiops species has been proposed in the eastern coastal United States which was previously grouped under Tursiops truncatus. The new name proposed is Tursiops erebennus (from a resurrected synonymy Delphinus erebennus, Cope 1865) common name proposed is Tamanend's bottlenose dolphin. Here is the paper: https://academic.oup.com/zoolinnean/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/zoolinnean/zlac025/6585199 and here is a press release: https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/feature-story/bottlenose-dolphins-along-east-coast-proposed-be-different-species. Probably a mention here would make sense and a link to a new species page (??) I put a very similar note on the Tursiops genus page. Xarzin (talk) 18:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Baltic sea

It's strange that the distribution map does not show the Baltic sea as a habitat, while the article does mention a Baltic sea population of the common bottlenose dolphin. 2001:1C02:1990:A900:A172:63BE:EF12:3624 (talk) 06:35, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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